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Baccarat Repeat 6 System

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by fathead, Oct 18, 2021.

  1. fathead

    fathead Active Member

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    I decided to see how the Repeat 6 System held up when adding the new shoes that Jimske sent me. This system continues to impress. Just when I think it failing, a new winning streak starts and it claws its way back to new highs.

    For those that are not familiar, here are the rules and they must be followed exactly. I have tried to improve this system but have been unable to. Whoever came up with this must have done quite a bit of testing on live shoes. Every change I have tried just makes the results worse, sometimes much worse.

    > At the beginning of each new shoe, you skip the first 8 decisions. The reason for this is that you are always looking at the last 8 decisions dealt for a trigger. For example BPBPPBBP.

    > The trigger to begin betting is when the first two and last two decisions in the group of 8 repeat. In our example, BPBPPBBP, notice that the pattern is starting to repeat. I put the repeating decisions in bold.

    > You now bet against the remaining 4 decisions repeating, using a 4 step martingale (1 ,2, 4, 8). In the case of our example, we will be betting PBBP, stopping either on a win of one unit, or total loss of 15 units.

    > After your win or total loss, you immediately look at the last 8 decisions for a new trigger. Often you have to jump right back in with another betting series, or another trigger will be appearing soon.

    > You continue to look for a betting trigger up until hand 62 only (ignoring ties) then end the shoe. This gives you up until hand 66 to complete your final martingale. For an 8 deck shoe this should be fine.

    Testing on my 4062 shoes this system made over 46,000 bets or about 11 bets per shoe. I am attaching the profit curve below. It earned +985.95 units.

    Repeat 6 .png
     
  2. cps10

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    Nice. How many -15 unit series did you have?
     
  3. fathead

    fathead Active Member

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    1427 total losses. You would have needed 600 units to survive the test swings.
     
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    That’s not a terrible bankroll really.
     
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    profits is profits but i think there are easier way to capture .24 unit per shoe, hey hey.
     
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    Where has this system come from, it is very similar to my Anti-Binary Repeat, or is it my method?

    The thing about bet selections, all/any of them, is that when tested against Binary Tables, everything resolves to 50%, therefore may change your focus, not on obtaining an advantage, because basically there isn't one to be had [period]. Rather focus on loss strings, as Jimski said, if you can control loss strings, then you control the game.
     
  7. Rinad

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    Fathead, if you dont mind and have that information on that strategy, I wanted to ask you, since you play a 4 step marty ,(1,2,4,8) and tested on so many shoes, do you happen to know how many times in a row you lost 15 units ? with such a small loss as 15, one could easily use several banks at different base bets to create more profit , (or more losses) , if it makes good .
    thanks, good work.

    Rinad
     
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  8. fathead

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    It was sent to me a few years ago. I am told it was once for sale for thousands but I don't remember it.

    That is something I look at quite a bit, losses in a row. Everything seems have about the same LIAR. The shortest would be betting against player, which would make sense, since player wins less often, but is it not that much shorter, just a couple of losses less.
     
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    Total loss of -15 units happened 4 times in a row max on these shoes. But you can see the bankroll swings on the chart. You needed 600 units to survive.
     
  10. fathead

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    Yes, profits are slow. Also look at the swings on the chart. Sometimes you will be going sideways or losing for many thousands of bets.

    On the other hand it is nice to see something that actually makes money. Many ideas that I test are steady losers.
     
  11. fathead

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    Are you talking about recovery progressions? 1,2,4,8 if lose then 15,30,60,120. I think you would go over table limit. It is something to think about though. Hmmm.
     
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  12. Jae

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    He may have also meant just going up a unit. Assume you started with $5 units

    5, 10, 20, 40 total of $75

    if your second bankroll was $150 you could go in for

    10, 20, 40, 80

    And so on.

    instead of having to win 15-18 units to recover the first loss, you just have to win around half of that if your second tier wins, and then regress down to your base tier.

    sort of like a d’alembert type money management system.
     
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  13. Rinad

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    Jae has the idea Fathead, that is exactly what I had in mind. so after busting a 1,2,4,8 ,I would wait for another trigger and evaluate my next progression. that is why I was asking if you ever seen a few "busted progr." happen like ????
    a higher base unit can also get your money back flat bet sometime if you get a lot of WWWWWW........
    Fathead , didnt you said the worst you would of needed was 600 units ? not a bad bankroll.
    a 2k bank may include as Jae wrote a 5,10,20,40..........10,20,40,80...........
    where else can one start a business with that investment ?
    for sure I would play stadium Bac.......the only way for me.
    R.
     
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    Fathead, is it doable for you to run automated another 4000 shoes and we can look at the results ?
    just a curiosity , again that was good info.
    Cheers,
    Rinad
     
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    I don't have any more live shoes other than these. I did try your idea of increasing the unit size at various intervals. It did not improve things. I also tried Oscar's Grind and things really got out of control. Not recommended. Like I said in the introduction, I have played around with this system for a couple of years and have not really been able to improve it.

    If you do decide to bet this one, study the profit curve. Notice the long periods where you are losing money or going sideways (thousands of bets). Could anyone stick with it during this? I don't know.
     
  16. fathead

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    Rinad, I ran the progression with a Grand Martingale (1, 3, 7, 15) and it earned +1948.20 units. You would need 1000 units to survive the test. The profit curve is similar but I will attach it below.

    Repeat 6 Grand.png
     
  17. Rinad

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    thank you , I think the problem , because you mentioned 4 busts in a row seem to be a extreme , it is like losing 16 bets in a row at this precise moment, (after the trigger), is not that bad, even know it is deep. playing that many shoes and go 16 deep means there is hope long term playing.
    the problem is that the wins dont make up for losses and it is like getting cut up in a loop, washing machine that can drive a player nuts before he can fully recover. I do like the 1,3,7,15 a lot, and I wrote it in several post before, because you increase the earning per bets, and, + you can invest the extra unit in positive progression play.
    my game is really roulette and I do that all the time with great success. there is no reason to play minimum bets all the time when things go north, making money.
    but without even doing that, a solution is also to "manufacture" templates that create many,many more betting opportunities.
    years back I had sheets with templates in columns showing warious combinations .
    so for each banker, or player results, you would have 4 or 6 different results , all made up from one result from the actual shoe , ricochet against 4 or 6 more "pre-made templates having combinations. "
    like when you play bingo , as I did long ago, and mother would have 8 extra cards that had numbers all ready showned, and of course it gives more work and more probabilities to win.
    the same idea here. it saves time and increase profit , specially for the type of system like this one when you have triggers and lots of time.
    this game is a lot about creating units, and if it is good enough for 4000 shoes, cant it be good enough for 40.000 + shoes ???
    why not ,
    Cheers,
     
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    You gotta use the grand mart at the baccarats because ofn the vig. I test an anti-streaks style buckin up against 20k+ shoe and got a net profit of about 3+ units per usin a shorts leash grand marty style, hey hey.
     
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    Just wondering did you try using labouch to recoup losses? And also what bankroll do you recommend for each session of play?
     
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    So that 1000 units to survive is based on what base betting unit?
     

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