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Baccarat Secrets of Winning Baccarat by Brian Kayser

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by AndyCasinoK, Jan 5, 2020.

  1. jbs

    jbs Well-Known Member

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    It's a system. Doesn't matter how you want to sugar coat it.
     
  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That's all you have done to it in order to denigrate it. You pour your vile opinion on it and "PRESTO" it's a system.
     
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  3. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I had a good handle on this years ago, and I monitored it for a while many years ago while playing my normal game, mainly focused on tracking/predicting the Tie bet from memory, literally didn't make any sense.
     
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    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    :D:D
     
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    I get so tired of having to watch to make sure they take the correct commission. I also get tired to telling them to draw or not when they are ending the hand against me. No they don't cheat..
    A friend of mine that is a big slot player got friendly with the guy that manages them. He asked why he never sees a winner during the week but only on Fri, Sat, night. He was told they are set that way to play to bigger audience.
    Yes I know there are exceptions but this still doesn't change.
     
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    In my experience only bitter, chickens shit, scared, loser, recreational player whine and snivel about legit joint cheatings. Either that or system selling scammer like the ECD claim he got the answer to casino supposed orchestrations against player, hey hey.
     
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    In stadium baccarat, I don’t ever worry about them misreading or miscalculating commission. Kind of puts my mind at ease, but in live tables, it goes both ways.

    As long as you understand the game, if the dealer misdeals in your favor, it’s up to you if you want to point it out. I’ve had dealers miscalculate my commission in the casinos favor and to my favor. I always point out the commission mistakes. That’s small change. And I don’t want them to get written up or possibly in trouble over a few bucks. But I guess I get morally conflicted in misdealings. I typically only correct them if I have a very small bet out or if the dealer is really cool or if everyone at the table is a dick.

    many years ago I had placed a $50 on banker, everyone else at the table were Asians with big stacks on player. Collectively probably 5 or 6 grand. Player had a 4, I had a 3. Player drew an 8 and ended up with 2. I felt bad for them, and then the dealer starts to draw again and pulled another 8 out and gave the banker a 1. She announced player wins, 2 over 1. As she pulled my 50 bucks away and they were all celebrating I said, that sucks. I lost $50. Does anyone want to give me $100, maybe even a few people want to toss me $25 a piece. They all looked at me like I was stupid. Blatantly ignoring me. I announced one more time, I lost $50... does anyone want to give me $100. As they decided to ignore me, I had no choice but to inform the dealer that she wasn’t supposed to draw on the banker hand and the bank won 3 over 2.

    Every time I think of that story it still blows my mind that nobody thought it to be advantageous of them to give me $100. They literally had thousands on the line.

    I know you’d think the casino catches these errors, but I never see a supervisor come over to a player several hands later and say, sorry sir, you need to give us x amount of dollars because we overpaid you.
     

  8. Junket King

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    Tight fisted bastards :D You did the right thing, if you were Asian they might of paid you. Unbelievable they didn't cough up.

    I've seen casino's confront players long after a hand is over. Suddenly Asian players can no longer understand English, until the word Police is mentioned. Newbie dealers not charging commission. Was at one table many years ago, a trainee was paid losing hands (we were all on the same side) for about 3 hands in a row, I don't think see the divide line between Banker and Player, who knows. Somebody standing behind would say the other hand won, he was soon told to shut up and that she was doing a great job.

    Another time in Sky Shitty Auckland, dealer paid out few K to the wrong side, then we all left the table. Big boss "bald eagle" is going around looking for those who were at the table, I was down an escalator , seen I was in his sights and took off while he was on the radio to security, to apprehend me.

    Half price 6 win, dealer pays in full, 15 mins later, manager approaches me asking for half back, I'm like, don't know what you're talking about, show me the camera footage, which is never going to happen, I wasn't winning at the time, so didn't wan to give up anything. Security standing behind me, after 20 mins of back and forth, threat of 24 hour ban, I relented, gave him the chip, still banned me for 24 hours, probably for my own good, it had been a very long day.

    Took me a while to cotton on, but here in my local, if a mistake is made with a card draw & people get paid, a particular Chinese guy will tell everybody on the table to be quiet, he then proceeds to bet the table max on the next hand, usually £2k, sometimes so will his buddies if they are around. The dealers have seen him exploit this so many times, they know what he is up to. Average bet 200, new all of a sudden £2k.

    If the next hand win, he says nothing collects his £2k, if the next hand loses, he complains about the mis-draw on the prior hand. Anyway, one day he loses the bet, pit start yapping, "you knew he made a mistake", "cheating". So they pull back the cards, he asks for his bet back, they say no, all bets are locked in. Long delay, the mis-dealt hand is resolved correctly, I think the result was reversed, can't recall if they let the small pay outs slide.

    Now the next hand is dealt with the locked in £2k along with anybody else who joined on for the ride, he still lost, now he is moaning about the pattern and that he wouldn't have bet £2k on the hand, dealers laughing at him, saying "cheats don't prosper", it's all fun, as he is was a well known regular, so the piss-take goes both ways.
     
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    You don't sound right in the head Fergy, members are kinda inter-acting normally and you're constantly "on one". Then you drop you made 200k pa LMAO

    For close on 15 year on many gambling forums, you have never given a single indication you know what you're talking about. Now you're inventing tales of having a had a Private Forum :D:D pull the other one.

    You were a member of my private forum if you recall, I never gave you an invite for the next two board which I ran, cos I know you're not right in the head as well as being glad to see the back of you on the first.

    Anyway sounds like you're cracking up Hughie, go and give your head a wobble, lie down and whatever is going on in your life to cause these out-bursts, rest assured I'm pleased, I'm over the fcukin' moon in fact. Yap Yap.
     
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    No that's because I don't do hundreds of shoes testing to establish a one and a half unit average. Heh Heh yee haw yee haw
    I don't constantly test I play in the real world.
    If you believe that its all mistakes good for you. I have money on the line. If its testing you don't lose a dime. Heh Heh yee haw
    You've lost all legitimacy every time you open your yapper. Heh Heh yee haw yee haw....
    If you would leave the home and go to the casino you would see things in these pre shuffled cards you didn't see before. One for instance is the natural shoes. People that see them know what I'm talking about. They happen when the pre are fresh out of the box. The only reason I can think of is to get more hands before a shuffle, but there could be another reason.
    There is a bunch of other characteristics I won't go into. Facts not testing. Yee haw Yee haw heh heh
     
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    Yup that's right little Petey Keating I made serious cake over twele years of fulls time play and you lost yet bottle balls and bankroll long ago. It really bugs you that cats can actually win well and regular and that's why you whine and squeal like a little beta bitch about having to pay big and such. You senile old codger can't even keep her bills shot straight, hey hey.
     
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    I played for just over twelve year on the full times basis so I sure I have seen more live dealt shoe than you will buck up against in yet life time. But please do tell howcasino canrig shoe to clip individuals player at the table, hey hey.
     
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    AndyCasinoK and all, can someone post the cover of the book or post a link where I can buy it.

    Many THanks
     
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    Find it - buy the e-book for 8 Euro ...

    Cheers
     

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    I buy the book to read about the long hours and the basic way to tackle imbalance.
    I think it will be a good additional material to combine with Philip Koelsch.

    Philip has test 100 placed bets samples - a flat betting a total of 60.000 placed bets.
    Just playing one side only, no selection - and the stats apply to any even money situation no matter selection.

    This means that if you play against two's not becoming three you have the same stats.
    For example, if the average loss is -8 units, playing one side only with 100 placed bets samples.
    The same applies to two's versus three.

    Philip also talks about reversal's where 83% will get back to zero after a negative start.
    One thing I find interesting about Brian Kayser is the number of shoes he plays to break even or get a small profit.
    So I am very curious how his experience and win/stop-loss works for him.

    Cheers
     
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    Anyone know where I can get my hands on a list of outcomes like B, P, or T per line?
     
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    Never mind. I found 1000 shoes.
     
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    Exact same thing happened to me a couple times! They couldn't throw me a bone the cheap sob's. I called the floor!!!! AND they're all pissed off!!! Go figure?
     
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    Would have loved to been at the table, or when it happened to Jae. I would have rubbed their face right in it and ask them straight, why didn't you pay me, seeing it cost you xxx
     
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    I woulda give you my copy for free, hey hey.
     
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