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Baccarat system of 5 marti steps (1 optional)

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Holodok, May 8, 2019.

  1. Holodok

    Holodok New Member

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    I apologize for my English, I am from Russia, I just translated the text to the translator. I tried a lot of systems and as you think they all turned out to be not effective. I thought about this, I understand that if a player or a banker drops out, this is random, but there is a possibility that there is little chance that there will be a player 30 times or a banker. What if you wait until a banker drops out for example, 6 times or more, and when a player rolls out 1 time, then put 5 martingale steps on the banker. It turns out to lose, then 6 or more should fall out, for example a banker and immediately a player 6 times. 5 marti steps are 31 units. Do you think this makes sense?
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Gather more information from the topics you find here at the Baccarat forum .



    ND
     
  3. brokercny

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    I think I understand what you mean. The odds are with you but eventually it will lose because big streaks do happen and you’re waiting too long for your trend to happen before you place a bet. Unless you’re betting big units I don’t believe it’s worth it.
     
  4. Holodok

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    I ran out of ideas ((
     
  5. Holodok

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    the ideas stopped, as I didn’t try, which I didn’t think couldn’t stop this game ((
     
  6. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Baccarat is a game for short term play .That eliminates the martingale completely. Besides flat betting there are other positive betting strategies available.

    Keep looking and find the proper literature which is available. Forums are not a school.



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  7. Craps

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    The bet selection does not matter. Anytime you play 5 marty there are 31 patterns for you to win and one pattern for you to lose. I have great success with 5 step Marty contrary to what all Baccarat players think. The key is in the approach. YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT MAKE THIS "SYSTEM" AS INFAILLIBLE thus going in and play everytime the situation comes. Charting is utmost important. See what is working for the shoe and go in to hit and run. Do that 8 times in a day. Quit after just one bust (31 units) Go back another day. My record is 51/2 winning days to one losing day. Thats 8.5 x 8 units =44 units. Lose one day(average after winning the 4th unit (31-4 ) =27 units) So 44-27 = 17 units in about a week of play. My unit is US30 . Therefore I make $510 a week doing this everyday after work.

    There is Plan B after you lose Plan A. Plan B is doing the same thing BUT win 10 units instead of 8 to recuperate the 27 units that you lost in Plan A. Ths key to a successful gambling method is be able to win back the losses. They are considered setbacks If you need to write off losses and start over again, then change what you are doing OR quit gambling.

    Remember when using 5 step Marty, don't abuse the system. A lot of charting and HIT and RUN.
     

  8. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Craps ,

    A Marty is never in my bag of options .How about a modified Marty? 1-1-2-4-8 ? At $ 25 a unit would calm the nerves .


    ND


    For recreational purposes only . Play at your own risk..
     
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  9. Craps

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    You have to win the 1st bet with 1 1 2 4 8. You 'll be surprised that some days, you just could not win the 1st bet. I have tried 3,4,&6 step Marty but 5 is the best. Anyway I am experimenting with flat betting in lower denominations at start of my daily session and if those do well, I don't have to resort to the 5 step Marty.

    Just to let everybody know I play on the imperial Baccarat machines where there is a live dealer dealing 2 different shoes alternatively in brick & mortar casinos in Las Vegas. Minimum is $5 and Maximum is $50000. There was one time $1.2 million. Works perfectly for system players.
     
  10. Craps

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    Consider this (I did very well playing this way, when I first started). Wait for a steak of 4 (not including Ties) and bet the opposite, for a maximum of 3 attempts only, DO NOT keep going.

    Do not sit at a table, rather move around, looking for streaks of 4. the progression is a Fibonacci, forget all about the Martingale, PERIOD.
    Your choice, whether to go 1-1-2 etc or as I did 1-2-3-5 and so on.

    Regress the Fibonacci if you are pushed. For example, if you place a 13u bet and win, then the 13u cancels to prior lost 8 and 5u bets, so you can step back to the 5 (your choice). If you lose a 13u bet and don't want to place a 21u bet, then grind it back. seeing your considering using a Marty, I would suggest place the 21u bet.

    After 3 months of playing this way, I was still positve, but you must apply the brakes with any streak of 7.
     
  13. Craps

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    Fibonacci and Martingle are 2 different animal. Martingle is superior in the sense that if you have a bad day, you can still win. Fibonacci requires the bettor to win 2 in a row most of the time. The bottom line counts. On a losing day with my approach, I will lose 24 to 31 units. Don't tell me on your losing day, you will lose LESS units than mine. So what gives? Furthermore you are telling someone to do something which was ONCE successful to you. So what happened? I can tell you why. Its NOT the Fibonacci. Its your approach because you bet every time your trigger occurs.

    These are all constructive criticism and I hope you take it lightly. Honestly I like to learn more whether I agree or not.
     
  14. Junket King

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    You do not have to win 2 hands back to back to clear a Fibonacci. WLW or WLLWLWW if you regress. Yes a Marty is superior, until it busts, dependant on how gung-ho you are, you have 10 or 11 chances to grab a win with a Fibo, so you have a lot more depth.

    I stopped doing what I was doing, because I got fed up running around tables (even had a friend help me), sometimes hedging and playing two tables at once. Once I changed tactics and sat at a table, it felt more civilised, more relaxed. The way you deciding to bet goes hand in hand with your staking plan, the two are not independent. For example you would never use a Fibonacci or Martingale betting DBL or FLD (decision before last, follow the last), but Sure-Win or Star would both perform a lot better.

    Go find a copy of Barstow's book, he discusses the diminishing probability theory. Anti-streak is supported by the statistical expected streak distribution.

    Occasionally I still use a Fibonacci to get myself out of a hole, it's nervy and twitchy, especially when you have adapted into avoiding betting double digit figures. Start placing bets of 13u or 21u and your arse starts to tense. God knows what playing with a Martingale feels like, tried it a few times, it feels absolutely great when it's winning, then you realise it's a ticking time bomb, a series of losses is waiting to happen which consumes all that prior profit, , I'm seeing 4 or 5 losses in a row many times in the same session. No thanks.
     
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  15. Holodok

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    What graphics are you talking about? How to choose a bet to HIT and RUN
     
  16. Junket King

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    Pay no attention, using a Martingale is exactly how a casino wants you to play, keep doubling until you win. No wonder he has to run.

    I make more per day than working in a normal job per week and pay no tax. My daily goal target is between 80 ~ 100 units daily. I play all day and all night if needed, no need for me to run anywhere and it is my work.
     
  17. Craps

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    If somebody were to tell you when and what to play, he/she is talking B/S. No one selection is better than the other. You have to do your own charting and look for triggers. My advice is document your hands in groups of 5s and 4s and 3s and 2s. Look across from left to right and you will find a lot of trends and runs. Example a chop BPBPBPBP is actually a run when you chart it is groups of 2s.
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    People condemned the 5 step Marty because they try to play it with a "money printing" method i.e. play every time the trigger occurs. We all know systems work in the short run. Hit & Run is short term. I have been burned because I played too much with 5 Marty. The 8 units a day and 5 Marty is the perfect combo. At least for me. When someone boast to you that he can win 80-100 units a day and without even able to elaborate on his play, it sounds TOO good to be true. I need to learn from him.
     
  18. Junket King

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    Still waiting for an answer on how many hands constitutes a trend and at what stage you decide to jump on board..
     
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    Agreed that no one selection is better than another over a period of time which begs the question why would hit and run work with a fixed bet selection because you would need to be damn lucky for the stars to keep aligning at just the right moment.

    .Timing.... Everything from FLD to OLD to the Two's will be running well at one time or another.

    .Patience.... Waiting for one of the above to materialize in a strong fashion.

    .Discipline.... Knowing when to stop betting and wait for the next opportunity.

    .Money Management.... Having sufficient capital to maximize your opportunities.

    JP has his big 4 or whatever he likes to call it. The above would be mine in pretty much that order of importance. One or even three is no good without the other.
     
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  20. Craps

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    Good advice on the big 4. Oh never never never a fix bet selection. When Hit and Run, chart first to see what is working. Sometimes I get so undecided over B or P, I will follow or against last 5 outcomes. Easier to decide.
     

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