Baccarat The BIG Question

Tell that to the casino because they pay me every night for playing roulette. They are the only ones I have to convince, you pay me nothing, why would I care what you think.

 

Luckily I don't believe in luck. See what I did there? LOL

 

You are correct, I'm not a gambler, why would I know Jack about gambling. I only bet if there's a good chance I'm going to win. How does talking a good game win you money in a casino. They don't pay you for talking, they pay you for playing.

 

KJ should be going after Spike. He's complete bullshit. No one can beat roulette. The house edge is to strong. Sure, you can get lucky in the short term but even medium term, much less the long term, you got no shot. All this talk about beating roulette is complete rubbish.

 

What you mean to say is you cannot beat roulette. Not a surprise to anybody..

 

Maybe you don't understand, in many countries around the world, you don't need insurance as the country (irrespective of who's in government) looks after their citizens.

Few children, total cost nothing, including midwifery. On the other hand I had to seek urgent medical care decades ago in Arizona, thankfully I have travel insurance, the hospital got real arsey until I told them and wanted me to pay the bill, I told them no, bill the insurance company.

Anyway I got to see the bill, a nurse walked into the room and told me her name and informed me that she would be looking after me and basically she did the square root of jack shit, I never saw her again... Anyway her cost was just shy of $1000 dollars for some level of nursing care, an absolute joke, but I wasn't paying, even though they tried to hound me once I got home months later, I told them where to go and contact the insurance company, they sure were sweating on those dollars...

 

Winning at roulette no one would question but the claim beating the game of rpi ;ette is a horse of a different color .


Winning at the game is acceptable but claiming beating the game is bull shit of the highest degree ,

 

That's because you still superstitiously believe in luck when luck does not really exist. Either you have the skill or you don't, blaming your lack of skill on bad luck is like 500 years ago when they blamed some old lady who lived alone in the woods when their cow went dry. Pure ridiculous superstition.

 

You know I'm a math guy and I never bet on anything I can't calculate the edge on to four decimal places before my fist wager. That being said...

If you want to talk about the mathematical un-beatability of roulette Spike would be the first to agree with you.

He claims to use intuition and something we mathematicians can't warp our heads around. In my younger days I would have argued tooth and nail against such things even existing. Then my mother died.

At almost the exact moment she fell on the floor unconscious in a pool of her own blood in Las Vegas I had an almost irresistible urge to call her in the middle of the day. I never did this. I was in Tahoe at the time 800 miles away. She did not answer. I freaked out and called Gary Ford (think you knew him) our mutual best friend. He answered and assured me she was fine, as he had seen her the previous day. He went on to tell me the ringer on her phone was acting up and not to worry. I hung up and got a whole three paces from the phone and it was like someone slapped me and said, "NO THAT'S NOT IT!!!".

I called security at her complex and had them do a health check where they found her on the floor. I rushed to Vegas and got to spend three days with her before she passed, but only because I had them transfuse her. Had she been conscious she would have refused blood as she was a Jehovah's Witness. Had I called an hour later she would have been dead. I called in the perfect 1 hour window that allowed me to be with her as she passed...and even my best friend telling me she was fine, was not enough to assuage the sixth-sense feeling in my gut that she was not.


If you want to argue that roulette isn't mathematically beatable you'll get no argument here or from Spike. To talk in absolutes and not even entertain the possibility that something else could be at play I think is unwise. Always thinking you're right is a good way to be wrong most of the time...

Is it plausible that Spike is just fooling himself and isn't really playing with an edge? Sure it's plausible, but it is not confirmed fact, which seems to be in short supply these days.

I for one am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I have experienced things I can't explain which make me loathe to pass any final judgment on others or talk in absolutes. Just be kind to each other. At the end of the day we feel better for each person we forgive. We feel worse for all those we choose to hate.

There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. ~Shakespeare

The universe is not only stranger than we imagine; it is stranger than we can imagine. ~J.B.S. Haldane

 

Roulette EC are a game of Luck and not of skill.

 

It looks like I'm experiencing a worst case scenario. My employer got cold feet and did some callous uncompassionate math and determined it would cost him less to pay someone $250 an hour to finish my software project than pay someone with my health issues $40 an hour + medical insurance to complete it.

When he saw how much pain I was in during our trip, he decided to fire me.

Jokes on him, as it'll cost him about $15,000 more to write the software I was two days from completing than my surgery would have cost if he'd paid it out of pocket.

 

I agree, and that is my opinion as well. I have simply not lost sight of the fact that some of my opinions have proven to be wrong in the fullness of time.

I guess what I'm saying is that while I follow the math almost religiously, I'm like a jack-atheist that can't prove there is a god, and so chooses not to believe in anything that can't be proven--but wishes, not so secretly, that there was one--proof or not...

 

What skill ? Reading Randomness past spins as a skill from the dead wood section .


Stuff to stay away from .

 

Oh but I so loved the sound they make when you drop them

 

I would like to disambiguate this comment.

I believe you're saying that it acceptable to say you've won playing roulette. However, a claim that you are "beating the game" implies a mathematically provable edge that predicts wins in the future and over time.

Is this correct? I'm likely wrong.

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I need to ask only because "beatable" ("beating") is a term used differently in my parlance. In VP we used the term prior to playing and without, or in direct opposition to results. We could be losing our butts on something, and still refer to the game as beatable. It was used only in reference to expectation, not outcomes or results.

 

The key to winning at this game is short term play. Do mot get greedy.

 

Even if it is possible to develop a sixth-sense intuition that overcomes the houses edge on games of pure chance, I think for everyone that succeeds, a whole bunch more might be lead astray. It is a cause for concern.

If we look at this issue from the POV of deontological ethics, and universal maximums, far more would fool themselves and go bankrupt than those who found nirvana. For this reason alone, it's probably a good idea to discourage and stay away from such thinking--even if there are real exceptions to every rule.

I am reminded of the Bible Quote that poorly summarized said, "When you can walk through fire, pay head to who is following you, and if they are burning where you walked unblemished."

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Act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law. — Immanuel Kant, Groundwork of the Metaphysic of Morals

 

I'm not disagreeing, but I always lived by the maxim that anything worth doing was worth overdoing. Not motivated by greed, mind you, just the transient nature of casino plays. You never knew how long they'd last--and they never did. We used to joke that there were two mentalities, "milk it 'till it's dry" or "beat it 'till it bleeds." I was in the former camp and I always used bag-balm and a healthy does of tips for the casino employees. If they were going to kick me out, it was going to cost them money.

Just saying.

 

You mean like winning one unit and leaving? That is not the key to winning, but it is the only money management strategy that makes sense if you already have a winning method.

 

Then I must be the luckiest person to ever play the game and my luck never seems to run out. In fact I just get luckier and luckier. LOL of course it's a game of skill, quit being silly.