There are obviously a lot of people that believe baccarat is beatable. My own mother fell into this category as did several of her friends who financed the team I managed. Personally, I'm still on the fence, but that's irrelevant. We aren't asking the question "is it beatable?" We also know that out there are some people that don't think baccarat is beatable and instead profit from convincing suckers it is beatable and selling bogus systems. The question is out of of everyone saying it's beatable how many actually believe that themselves. Without getting into who's right or wrong and NOT-MENTIONING-ANY-NAMES what do we think the overall percentage is for "True-Believers" to "Con-Artists"??? Additional Question: What do we think the overall ratio is for good vs. bad advice??? Let's stick to percentages or ratios and not let this thread get caustic.