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Baccarat True Believers vs. Con-Artists

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Frank Kneeland, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. Frank Kneeland

    Frank Kneeland Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    I I think you’re coming in late to the discussion I was asked to evaluate the system and came to the exact same conclusion that you did. I told that to the investor, but the investor refused to listen to me. Then I was asked to simply manage the players and make sure they didn’t steal and this I agreed to.

    To be clear this is not a system that I think works. In fact, I watched it lose $35,000 In short order.

    Though I did make sure that los was with excellent accounting and no theft.
     
  2. SPIKE

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    I do not know about the easily part. I constantly see people playing online Baccarat that bet against the streaks all the time. The logic behind that escapes me. Warning another analogy coming. It's like finding a streak of another kind in a gold mine but it's not very big so you ignore it look for a bigger streak of gold. Nobody in their right mind would do that. You would mine that small streak until it ran out. But not in gambling, in gambling it's fine to ignore something that is right in front of your nose and do the opposite of what you should be doing.
     
  3. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Ok fair dinkum, I thought I read your mother ran a Baccarat team, I also assumed you were mingling with savvy gamblers, somebody dropped the ball with the above strategy.
     
  4. Frank Kneeland

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    Yes I agree and always did. In fact I tried to talk them out of it to no avail.
     
  5. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    All I'm trying to do is talk you into it. What you might not get yet is that trends and patterns don't always work so that is the end of it. But what really happens is that trends and patterns sometimes work, and sometimes they work incredibly well. It's not so much in having great skills at trend or pattern detection as it is in having great skills at good streak or bad streak detection. It's not that hard if you can visualize it in your head as a sine wave graph. You can see upticks in the carrot & sticks charts of the stock market trades when looking at any one stock's history. People speculate all the time. Why not Roulette? Why not Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack for that matter. All it takes is skill and experience. It does not take magical beliefs or contradictions in basic binomial distribution. You can lose the same number of bets that you are expected to lose and still rip the casino a new asshole. It just takes knowing how. Anyone can learn how. Not everyone will allow themselves to learn how though. That's a different game people play. Most of them are really good at it too. Some people refer to it as pretzel logic. I just leave them to their own devices and wonder what it will be like for them when it is too late.
     
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  6. Jimske

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    Isn't it clear that he really has got no idea of what the strategy was or what the team did or didn't do? He lost his notes of 20 years ago etc. etc.
     
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  7. Nathan Detroit

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    Mr. Kneeland, If the BR was $ 150,000 then a loss of $ 35 .009 was in the acceptable range .
     

  8. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    No they don't. The vast majority of players at a Baccarat table lose, fact. I've witnessed it for the past 15 years, also a simple review of a set of binary tables also confirms this...

    This is the problem of gambling boards, it provides and outlet for the continuation of deluded thoughts. Well maybe that wouldn't apply to all, such as WoV and BJ forums, where the members wouldn't allow unsubstantiated mystical thinking.
     
  9. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Gads, it's right in front of your face and you can't or wont see it. I think it's hilarious that you see people lose with trends for 15 years. You are wise to keep away from them. There is no chance that you will find a way to make use of them. Good for you.
     
  10. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    That's pretty funny when you consider it that it's you that is with the delusion. You are protected by your illusion and uninformed opinion that you know how I claim to use trends and what I have clearly and openly told other people how I use trends and patterns. You are just another cancel culture control freak. My side grows while your side diminishes. You will be the last to know. This is also a problem with gambling boards. I'm still laughing that you have no idea how to use trends and patterns effectively. How could you possibly be a winner at Baccarat? I have no idea what your bet selections are based on. Does anyone know what JK's bet selections or methods are? It's time to put his so called expertise to a test.
     
  11. SPIKE

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    He has a Ouija board app on his phone? That would be my first guess..
     
  12. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    What's right in front of my face, is the knowledge that you are stone cold broke. I've been at enough Baccarat tables in my time to see those that longingly stir at the score-board attempting to guess what the next hand will be, or trying to stupidly bet some repeat pattern from 30 hands ago, or the fact the Banco has doubled for x amount of times and all that other voodoo shit, aren't winners, in fact they keep the casino coffers healthy, as you only to well know Mark!!!!

    Precisely, your level of disillusionment has no limits. You can blame your predicament on whatever you like, lack of funds, lack of discipline, sheer bad luck, being on the wrong side of the bell curve for the last 5, 10 years, but never question the futility of your belief system because that would totally shatter the myth and would leave you emotionally vulnerable given your investment into such nonsense.

    And there lies the rub, you believe this reading randomness, elegant pattens horseshit, along comes a newbie, your ask for money, no longer accept students, give away for free, slag off those that sent you money, even some gullible Chinaman sent you a decent amount of wedge, twice, how did that go?

    Oh let's see, degenerated gamblers lack of self control, stone cold broke. Soz Mark, it is what it is, maybe stop trying to deny it, didn't your shrink advise you that? If you somehow managed to convince somebody to send you $2k you would be shit scared playing, because you have lost so much, I've seen many end up this way, you're no exception, you gambling days are over, unless you win the powerball or something. As I say, it is what it is, no issue with that, but this notion you have some winning system, mentality is insane, you know it, the whole board knows it, put it to bed.

    I'm laughing at your denial of your current predicament and warped beliefs.

    Funny you mention that Mark, I sent you some info regarding a method asking you to produce some stats, you were like a rabbit in headlights, you simply didn't have a clue what I was referring to. As for my latest mode of play, it's on this board, you've even probably butted in on the thread as you always do, however I'm not playing at the moment, I'm working and earning more than I ever have in my whole career, literally no time to gamble.

    Don't really want to give you a hard time, maybe quit trying to be Spike junior, perhaps you think by repeating this crap often enough, it might somehow make it magically true and who knows, some new blood comes to the site thinking, "hey this guy seems to know what he's talking about, maybe he can teach me" and then you start seeing dollar sign opportunities, and you even have all the rebuttal excuses when they complain it didn't work lined up in advance "not my fault you didn't understand it", as opposed to, "it's a load of crap". I mean after all you did reel in one of the biggest fishes on here, which was no mean feat!!!!
     
  13. SPIKE

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    I decided to unblock you to see if you can communicate without the constant personal attacks. If you can't I'll just report you and put you on ignore again.

    The whole board does not know it, I certainly don't know it because I do it everyday. That pattern recognition can be exploited. It's like somebody telling you the sun isn't really shining when you're standing outside in the sun. I play online everyday and I win everyday but people like you will tell me, no you're not. You're just deluding yourself. Well I'm also deluding the casino because they're paying me. I'll probably never go into another brick-and-mortar casino because there are just too many betting opportunities online. I'm like a kid in a candy store, everywhere I look I see nothing but candy. The deluded one in this situation is you. You can't do it so you believe nobody can do it. And what's hilarious is you have no desire to learn how to do it. You'd rather sit on your high horse thinking that you're right and throw your ignorant lightning bolts at the rest of us. I don't care about the jackasses you observed over your years of playing who had no idea what they were doing with trends and patterns. If they were your teachers which they obviously were you were on the wrong bus, you were on that short blue bus it goes to the 'special' school. You know the one I mean.
     
  14. Punkcity

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    Delusional, you know, we all know
    This
    Posters on ignore is meaningless unless you are logged in .
    You
    Know
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    EVERYONE KNOWS
    You and everyone reads the today thread page , you all see who’s posting AND you read it , human nature especially a busy body like you spike, then you log on and claim not to see a just posted post of say for example junket king.
    Poppy cock.
    You think your fooling everyone with I don’t know what you are saying I have you on ignore, lol princess your delusional, rlmao now I’m going to un ignore you junket king and bully you into compliance because your so wonderful that we want to not be on your( spike) bad side , lol rlmao , you bully spike, lol , police man spike lol. You accuse everyone else of doing EXACTLY what you do always.
    Lol
    Rlmao
    Delusional
    Lol
     
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  15. gizmotron

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    You could at least prove that much and show all of us what you sent me. If I could see that what you sent me was worthless, like somebody making a stand for a tired and failed progression, then I might look just like you described. I spent a long time working on Turbo's hot number information with Denzie and gave up. He didn't. Turbo is a lot of work. I can't remember the information you sent me. I think I have all my PM's from here. I will check if you sent a file or a message. This could be good. I would laugh if you are the one projecting and the mirror looks right at you. Let's see. About the time that you suggested that I do my own thread almost three years ago you had a thread going. I'll start there. At least that must still be here.
     
  16. Jae

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    I think he also forgot to mention the part where he withheld like $4,000 of the teams working capital for “bus tickets.”

    The first time I heard the story, I think I remember Frank trying to rationalize…. or justify why he didn’t give them all of their working capital. He wanted to make sure they still had some to get home or something. And then he said that the team financier was pissed and blamed frank for withholding the funds and ramped that up to the reason why they didn’t recover.

    if I remember the story correctly, the team has already lost 100k or something, so frank didn’t believe that him withholding a few grand was the reason they didn’t recover.

    Personally I think that’s a pretty smug argument and pretty shady; while someone might think they have good intentions and are being helpful, that very act could be the most damaging thing a person could do in that situation.

    if the financier really believes that a few grand would have helped the system recover, then of course he has every right to be pissed (especially if it would have worked). Chances are, it may not have, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I’d the team would have lost EVERYTHING by sticking to their method, then they may walk away from a bad system, but if they believe frank screwed them, then they might have tried again and withholding that 4 grand could cost the financier another $100k.

    The only way I could justify withholding some bankroll from someone is if my cut was in that. But from the way I understood the original story, he was already on salary and not relying on the bankroll money.

    Overall I think the story really just shows that Frank isn’t a trustworthy person or a good manager. Imagine hiring a guy like that to oversee your operation and after he screws you he uses the story as humor to retell over and over while thinking his shit don’t stink.
     
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  17. gizmotron

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    Well, that was fun. You have the ability to find all your posts shut off. All I could find around the time I started the RR thread was you running a couple of threads on the Martingale Progression. You had told me to stop posting in your thread. So I did. What a joke. You are superstitious about Roulette and you play progressions. Your opinions of winning are still subject to investigation. How about telling me more about what you wanted stats on back when you sent me something? Anyone with half a brain could tell you all about the Marti.
     
  18. Jimske

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    @Jae because I actually read his last entire post. @ Everyone. I can't believe you guys actually read all these posts.

    My wife always says I don't pay attention. She's usually right. Maybe I got attention deficit. I wonder if there is a test for that?
     
  19. SPIKE

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    What the hell are you prattling on about now. Never mind I don't want to know. I swear, I'm going to have to start charging you for me living in your head 24/7.
    I beat roulette and you don't, live with it and move on dude. You're just embarrassing yourself. You think you can change reality by screaming BS at the top of your lungs like a 9 year old girl. It changes nothing except to make look you even more anal retentive..
     
  20. Junket King

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    Via an email Aug 2019,

    *** Note pay attention *** I don't keep emails from nutjbos or those that waste my time., hence why I no longer have the email where spike mentioned he bets $1 units. I don't wish to keep such garbage polluting my inbox, ditto applies to you. But wait low and behold, you popped up in my sent folder.


    Google Account <*******@gmail.com>
    [​IMG]3 Aug 2019, 15:26


    to Mark
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    Hi Mark

    Sorry for the delay, priorities....

    I'll try and explain this as easily as possible.

    There are 512 possible patterns of 9 binary outcomes. Therefore the occurrence of a particular 9 hand pattern is 511/1

    Record a Baccarat shoe using columns of 9's (unfortunately in the real world, you can't also get Rows of 9 hands).

    Mark off the score card as per the sample attached file.

    When you notice the top 4 lines are a match, as in;

    B-B
    P-P
    B-B
    B-B
    P-?
    B-?
    B-?
    P-?
    P-?

    You bet the the matching column which can occur anywhere in the shoe, won't match the previous 511/1 shot.

    **NOTE** the matching columns DO NOT NEED TO BE BACK TO BACK, rather anywhere in the shoe.

    Here is an example;

    [​IMG]


    Pretty straight forward?

    You also run the same methodology with the ROWS. You won't achieve a row of 9 in a normal Baccarat shoe, but move after 4 of the same regardless.

    Attached is a crude test, which shows a 67.5 Win rate.

    The Excel file Gizmo, is my test data, real world shoes.

    If possible and you do look at this, would you be able to produce some stats from this file?

    Any questions, get back to me via email or the forum, I don't always monitor this email account, so give me a few days.

    Cheers

    John



    Nope, or not really, I would never, ever advocate anybody use a Martingale Progression. maybe search ABR (anti binary repeat) as you seem to have more time available time than me. Alternatively take a look around and accept REALITY for fuck sake, because this is something you'll never win, then we can get along. you hear me bro..

    Whatever.

    I'm too busy, and halt cut at the mo, but ABS is probs what your looking for.,

    This due only spouts this cos if deflects from him having to accept his own reality.

    Your only embarrassing yourself, always winning, beaten Roulette, reading random, yet dinning like an antiquated broke-ass tramp, figures.

    Just want to irritate, I've got nothing against you, in fact I applaud you in getting that idiot to send you $$$$. All I'm saying is accept reality and stop promoting shit which you know isn't true.
     
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