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Baccarat True Believers vs. Con-Artists

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Frank Kneeland, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    As this is a gambling site, lets start laying odds, soxfan shown the gravel or severe CoVid, either one is a winner for me, but hopefully it's the latter., truly. Too many good people have died before there time from Covid-19, in which case I would toast to any confirmation that hughie ferguson from trontono is no longer stealing oxygen.

    Nothing personal, the world doesn't need racist decrepit fuckwits, we have enough already.
     
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  2. gizmotron

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    @JK Oh, it's an email. Cool, I might have it. I can tell from looking at this that I'm almost completely lost. I don't play Baccarat but I know that when it is done its nearly a 50/50 bet. That's all I need to know. Most of you will say I have no right to a Baccarat opinion. I'll try to find the Excel file. I don't have excel. I don't need it. I can write original computer programs. But I will try to understand this. I think I have it.
     
  3. gizmotron

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    John, I don't have the email and probably was never able to open the excel file. But after reading this I think it has to do with one unique pattern never repeating itself right after it occurs. Several of us programmers researched that for the impossibility of a pattern repeating exactly at an exact starting point that was selected randomly. If you wait for a perfect BB, PP, BB, BB or any configuration of repeats to act as a trigger then you would bet against the same sequence repeating itself as you start to bet it then yes, I have built sims to give out hard data on massive trials of large numbers to see what would happen. It fails in the long run. The most unlikely sequence occurring at an exact moment occurs just enough to make it fail. I have just not tested your version of the concept. It is because of these unique ideas that I came to the conclusion that you can't use math to beat a negative expectation game. Your question is at the very top of the intelligence scale when it comes to researching math based solutions. It looks like it should work. But to use a Martingale against it would be a bad idea. Perhaps the oscar's grind might work with exact moment unlikely patterns systems. I just don't know. Thanks for digging up that email. I'm missing 5 months of emails around that time.
     
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  4. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Nope, it was anywhere in a single shoe.

    Except when using elegant patterns or reading randomness huh?

    Of course, no worries I have my so what rusty labby string method which can handle the bulk of LIAR's, alas not the extreme shoes.

    And for anybody who knows what the fuck I'm talking about, I'm considering combining 7Col FLD which I revealed on the defunct Baccarat Labs web site. 7Col FLD gave me the something like 40+ memorable consecutive winning sessions a few years back (my GOAT run), I'm not exactly sure how to combine both these methods into one at this precise time, nor do I care, as I'm busy working for a living.

    It is what it is, gambling vs guaranteed return = no brainier.


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    If you can't produce stats, then what was the point of it all?

    I mean literally, why did I waste 15 minute of my time sending writing my first email?

    I've got zero interest in how you play roulette or what you did in the past, this has been an unnecessary diversion of me actually making real money in the here and now...

    On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 15:58, Mark *****@gmail.com> wrote:
    I would have a very difficult time producing stats. I'm a pattern, trend hunter. I have discovered that the must recent data is the only relevant data. It helps to see big data streams so that you can see how changes happen. But that is just so you can get a feeling for kinds of trends and how they come and go. So when you play you can say I've seen this type of grouping or collecting happen this way before. These past two years I have found that getting off the bets faster when a loss happens often ends up being the time when the trend breaks down anyway.

    Take it east fella, accept reality and have fun.
     

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  5. gizmotron

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    These are not math based. I see that your pattern that you use as the template can occur at any time. I have tested using a random start point as opposed to right after the first pattern occurs. Say you have a list of 100 unique patterns and you use a random way to select one of them. It has 8 steps to it. Now you also select a random moment to start betting against that selected pattern from repeating. That sounds like it is impossible to have the two unlikely things to match up. But they will with 8 steps if you use a Marti against them. I have never tested other progressions against that most unlikely scenario. I could guess here and that it might actually work for years and years and may never lose in the long run. I just don't know.
     
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  6. gizmotron

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    OK, so you are a much better player than I suspected your were. That's good. Nobody would last this long with a marti. It would be a first. Hmmm? A labby. It's good. I notice that Denzie is using a progression of some type mixed with a situational sequence at a specific time also. This should start the contraption testers off on the right foot this year.
     
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    You going Paedophile now , all those dark sexual lusts manifesting , tight fitting gear on young men , now little girl analogies. You a bit sick sexually?
    Sorry you need to re access how you reach out to people on the interverse. You need help princess, your sick sexual preference should not be allowed to be posted here. Little girl fantasy, you sick fucktard.

    In your head lol. Scratchy scratch. Lol. You Sick sick puppy
     
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  9. Nathan Detroit

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    Trends,


    There are 3 options either go with the trend against the trend or do nothing .


    Either choice is correct .


    ND
     
  10. SPIKE

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    What the hell is that word, something you heard from your shrink? LOL all that matters is one of my online casinos made a deposit into my PayPal account last night while you're still trying to figure out how to beat a casino game. That's what you really upset about that I be roulette and you don't can you just can't stand it
     
  11. Junket King

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    When have I ever said I used or promoted use of the Martingale???

    Funny you mention this, it reminded me of the time Spike took a lot of stick for quite some time at gamblers glen over something he was doing with a neighbours little girl. had her in his house doing roulette spins for him, so he claimed, something along those lines.
     
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    She was a neighbor girl my wife used to babysit for and sometimes I would pay her to spin the roulette wheel for me. Worked out good. I sold the wheel years ago I got tired of it, it was taking up too much room. I think I paid her $5 an hour and she loved it. I only have one wheel left and it's only 15 inches across, I haven't used it in ages.
     
  13. Junket King

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    Kinda confirms I don't make shit up, I have a decent enough memory of what went down on Gamblers Glen, including Alfred scamming people on eBay.
     
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    Pedo is child molestation , you know that tag has followed you on a number of forum now. I seem to remember it being mentioned on wizard of vegetable forum some years ago before they went gambling topic only. Bet you felt relief then.
     

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    I didn't mean that you did. What I'm saying is that you couldn't stay with playing Baccarat this many years and only be using a Martingale. I wonder why those of us that researched these almost impossible to happen at an exact moment sequences never tried it with a Labby or OG progression? I doubt that a back to back 8 step unique pattern would ever repeat with two unique beginning points at exact selected moments. It's probably the HG. That means it would first be selected somehow at no risk and then it would have to fail two times in a row after that with two more unique random starting points at exact moment selections. If the original sequence is 8 steps then it would have to repeat twice to lose everything, 16 steps. I don't think my computer, that was in days gone by considered a super computer, could keep track of the floating point number that deep into how long the odds would be. It would take two sets of 8 with two unique triggers when exactly to start each sequence. My computer would just round off the odds of it happening as .00000000... etc ...

    Now let the magic of Turbo begin.
     
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    Here is an example of the steps. You take any reason to pick a random sequence and say you get BppBBpBp. You now pick randomly 22 hands later and then bet against the original sequence from repeating itself starting on the 23 hand. When it does repeat that original sequence, which is fairly rare, you pick another random starting point to complete the last 8 steps of the 16 step progression. This might also be impractical to have a total of 16 steps to a progression but you get the idea. A Labby or an OG might have that many steps to it. Just brain storming this. It's a lot of play without getting much in return. It all comes down to the number of total steps and how many times it must be played in order to recover and go into the positive. The more steps the safer it would be. But that would also imply that it might take a lot of play to make it worth it all. I'm no progression expert. I'm the small micro waves in the playing chart type. I just go along with a few small wins each session. I can tell a win streak. What kills a progression is a losing streak.
     
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    You would know more about it than me, it's obviously your field of expertise.
     
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    they would be fun bit a whole different animal I suppose. I've never played them.

    So JAE, what do you think of the new stadium games at Mohegan Sun? We don't cross paths. I guess you only play in the evenings after work or on weekends.

    I don't like the new style Stadium games because there's no place to put a scorecard and write stuff down. But I do like the idea of being able to jump into any game you want.

    Cheers
     
  19. Nathan Detroit

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    Recovery ? With a beaten bankroll ? Who is kidding Whom ?



    Face it you lost .
     
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    Actually, the shorts leash grand-marty is very efficient for buckin up against the baccarats anti-streaks, hey hey.
     

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