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That's a shame, I see china's gift to the world Covid 19 is sky rocketing in Malaysia, let's hope for a little rebalance of justice!!!

If he is anything like the father, it wouldn't have gone down well in Oz.

Certainly somebody with better morals and beliefs than you.
I've spoken to Chinese people, despite being thousands of miles away from China, they are basically scared to castigate china or it's leaders. Many have family in china, they are afraid who might be listening and report back (lots of students from china at the Baccarat tables), The CCP have done well in striking fear in people and curbing their ability to speak out.

You keep spreading your propaganda bullcrap about CoVid and US athletes not winning medals, the chinese torturing and eating literally anything that moves as being acceptable because some stupid rich folk do the same once a year in New York. That the CCP have suppressed all demonstrations in Hong Kong through fear and interment, that the uyghurs and Falun Gong are being looked after despite first having their coronas extracted then whatever organ is required for somebody who has the financial means, oh yeah without anaesthetic, because "they are going to die anyway". This is why I am a better man than you, this is why there is no justice because I breath the same oxygen as you.



Fuck china and chinese apologists.

 

You definitely are better. In the use of foul language and curses. If the way you write is what you claim to be of superior morals and beliefs than me as a yardstick of comparison, please go away. You make me cringe to compare me to you, an American trash of the lowest order. I repeat YOU are an American trash of the lowest order. I wont even waste my spit on you.

 

Really? So you think these countries are going to democratize themselves?

The world is still in the fallout of World War II. Everyday people struggling against fascism. Looking to the United States and its allies to free them from oppression.

 

I continue to narrate that my point at tge start was to highlight that the position of many countries in Asia are very different. US is an enigma for us. A great success in so many areas and an utter failure in just as many. Afghanistan? Democracy? Look, Singapore is the US’ strongest ally alongside Japan and Korea in Asia. If you would read what this professor would say, maybe at least it would balance your views that you get from Fox and CNN.


Foreign Policy Magazine
ARGUMENT

Don’t Blame the Afghans
If the United States fails to understand its mistakes, it will continue to repeat them.

By Kishore Mahbubani, a distinguished fellow at the National University of Singapore's Asia Research Institute.
AUGUST 24, 2021, 8:34 AM


Why does the United States, arguably the world’s most successful society, expend so much blood and treasure on foreign ventures—from Cambodia and Vietnam to Afghanistan and Iraq—and fail so spectacularly? Americans search for explanations in events and personalities. Actually, there may be deeply structural reasons for these spectacular failures. The reasons can be captured in three Cs: control, culture, and compromise.

U.S. society’s greatest strength is its can-do spirit. When Americans strive for an ambitious goal, such as sending a man to the moon, they take full control and charge full speed ahead. This works wonders on U.S. soil. It creates disasters on foreign soil.

I got my first glimpse of Washington’s problem with the first C—control—in Phnom Penh in 1973. Serving then as a young, single diplomat in the Singaporean Embassy in the war-torn Cambodian capital, I dated a young female diplomat from the U.S. Embassy. She had an easy job. Each morning, she would get clear instructions from Washington on what Cambodia should do with its troubled economy. She would personally drive over and deliver the instructions to the Cambodian minister of the economy. Since Washington had some of the world’s best economists, this made sense. But it also deprived the Cambodian government of any sense of agency or control over its own destiny. Hence, when the United States left, the hapless government collapsed.

Similarly, the larger Afghan army of 300,000 people performed well against the smaller Taliban army of 75,000 people when U.S. commanders and soldiers were embedded with Afghan army units to make decisions and decide when and how to fight. Like the Cambodian government, the Afghan army had no control over its destiny. Hence, when U.S. control left the scene, everything collapsed. Future historians will remark on a curious paradox in this sad Afghan chapter. The United States went to Afghanistan to build and nurture a democracy. But by taking effective control of Afghanistan for 20 years, the Americans couldn’t have behaved in a more undemocratic fashion.

The second problematic C is culture. Americans assumed the government of Afghan President Ashraf Ghani was legitimate because it had been elected under U.S. democratic norms. Really? Only around 1.8 million Afghans out of 9.7 million registered voters and a population of 31.6 million people voted in the last national elections. By contrast, when a United Nations mission led by brilliant Algerian diplomat Lakhdar Brahimi tried to recreate an Afghan government after the collapse of the first Taliban government in 2001, Brahimi reached deep into Afghan history and culture and convened a loya jirga, a traditional council of regional leaders that deliberates important national questions. The process was a messy one. The United Nations couldn’t control it. But the government that emerged from the loya jirga process enjoyed more legitimacy and standing than the so-called democratically elected Ghani government.

It’s surprising the United States learned no valuable lessons from its more successful occupations overseas. Following the capitulation of Japan in 1945, it was a brilliant decision to keep then-Japanese Emperor Hirohito on the throne instead of prosecuting him as a war criminal, which the United States could have done. His continuity in office gave the Japanese assurance their culture was respected. The Americans deployed in Afghanistan to rebuild the Afghan political system showed little respect for Afghan culture.

The third C is compromise. When treading on foreign soil, it is pure common sense to make compromises and accept local institutions. Iraq failed spectacularly because of one disastrous decision resulting from a refusal to compromise: the full disbanding of the Iraqi army and Ba’ath Party, two pillars of Iraqi society. When the United States occupied Germany after World War II, on the other hand, U.S. military command quickly gave up on wholesale denazification after realizing it needed all the administrators it could get to prevent the country from descending into chaos. Since party membership had been virtually compulsory for government service, there simply weren’t enough experienced but untainted administrators around.

The United States’ enormous power is its biggest asset—and also its biggest weakness. With so much power, Washington is never under any pressure to compromise, even when it would be common sense to do so. Here’s a simple example: Afghanistan is an ancient society with an even older neighbor, Iran. After millennia of living together, there must be a lot of wisdom in Iranian history and culture on how to live with Afghanistan. The most commonsensical thing for any U.S. administration to have done would have been to compartmentalize its differences with the Iranians on other issues and at least talk to them about creating a strong and independent political entity in Afghanistan. And Iran might very well have cooperated because it had even more to lose than the United States from a Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. Yet the very idea of a compromise with Iran appears to be unthinkable in Washington.

If the United States fails to understand the key structural mistakes it made in Afghanistan and elsewhere, it will continue to repeat them. Yet there are few signs of any serious rethinking. Instead, many people in Washington are blaming the Afghans for this catastrophic failure, pointing their fingers in particular at corruption. But corruption requires both demand and supply. If the United States hadn’t drowned Afghanistan in a tsunami of poorly accounted for dollars, corruption wouldn’t have happened.

Curiously, one of the academic authorities on this subject is Ghani himself. In a 2008 book, he and co-author Clare Lockhart describe a project that illustrates the problem of much foreign aid. Even though the aid was disbursed by various United Nations agencies and nonprofits, most of the money came from the United States. This story, also discussed in Lockhart’s essay for Prospect, is worth quoting at length as it perfectly describes what went fundamentally wrong with the U.S. venture in Afghanistan.

Lockhart met a villager in Afghanistan who told her the story of $150 million literally going up in smoke. She recounts the man saying: “We heard on the radio that there was going to be a reconstruction programme in our region to help us rebuild our houses after coming back from exile, and we were very pleased.”

“This was the summer of 2002,” Lockhart goes on to describe. “The village was in a remote part of Bamiyan Province, in Afghanistan’s central highlands, and several hours’ drive from the provincial capital—utterly cut off from the world. U.N. agencies and NGOs were rushing to provide ‘quick impact’ projects to help Afghan citizens in the aftermath of war. [That $150 million] could have transformed the lives of the inhabitants of villages like this one.”

“But it was not to be, as the young man explained: ‘After many months, very little had happened. We may be illiterate, but we are not stupid. So we went to find out what was going on. And this is what we discovered: the money was received by an agency in Geneva, who took 20 per cent and subcontracted the job to another agency in Washington DC, who also took 20 per cent. Again it was subcontracted and another 20 per cent was taken; and this happened again when the money arrived in Kabul. By this time there was very little money left; but enough for someone to buy wood in western Iran and have it shipped by a shipping cartel owned by a provincial governor at five times the cost of regular transportation. Eventually some wooden beams reached our villages. But the beams were too large and heavy for the mud walls that we can build. So all we could do was chop them up and use them for firewood.’”

Future historians will be puzzled by how U.S. taxpayers spent $1 trillion in Afghanistan with no positive results. This small story illustrates how it likely happened. Multiply the story by countless agencies and contractors each taking their slice of the pie.

It would therefore be a huge mistake for Americans to blame the Afghans, who were victims of mistakes made in Washington. That is exactly where the serious reflection has to take place.

Twitter: @mahbubani_k

 

Waste your spit on this. JK is a Britton.

 

This is comical at the least. America has since 1985 used the education system to demonize Capitalism and promote Socialisms as the best hope in justice and fairness as a projection of a utopian order of transformation. Those that have successfully been lied to are brainwashed. America with all of its might will strike out against other governments as soon as they have destroyed their opposition here in the states. Other nations will fall under the power of totalitarian rule, just like China is now. It's the New World Order, and it's economically Fascist. You had better get in real good with a power hungry socialist. That or die of old age. Let the suckers eat the dingle berries.

 

My bad. So an American sidekick. Jump he says. How high? came the reply. Should have known. Americans cannot sink that low.

It would be far fetched to think there is any royal connection in his bloodline? Lmfao

Such animosity mostly comes from those who are losers in the global game. They blame every party for their increasing insignificance in this world.

 

LOL. Cut and paste. Now you want people here to debate him or or shall we cut and paste contrary essays?

Best to use your own words OB.

 

My own words so then bastards can twist it and accuse me and curse me? My narrative has always been consistent. Some of you guys can paste links of a certain point of view and video links and then 1-2 will robotically like. I post the alternative views from Asia and you want to condescend on me to use my own words?

You may wish to present your American views or hold your piss. Dont ever tell me what to do Jimske. I am not British and definitely not an American stooge.

 

Rather than me saying "I wouldn't piss on you, if you were on fire", rather "I'd let the oxygen slowly escape into the air, if you were gasping for breath and begging with your entire wealth".

Actually you are lower, you're like a CCP marionette, the mere suggestion Uyghurs are being assimilated into the Chinese way of life, when they are systematically being interned in their 1000's of thousands, sterilised, tortured, butchered for body parts. No freedom to worship, no freedom just to be FREE, the most surveillanced part of the planet, can't even step outside your home without being recorded, can't meet anybody, can't trust anybody, everywhere you go is monitored, what a way to live, far worst than china's annexation of TIBET (1951) and that was brutal, also Inner MONGOLIA (1947) (china snatched the next Dalai Lama, took child to china for re-education, then produced their own next in line).

china occupies Philippines Thitu island, sniffing around Kota Island which is under Philippine jurisdiction.

As your banging on about Afghanistan, what about the murdering CCP Belt and Road initiatives in Africa? They currently hold 15% of Africa's external debt (dept-trap diplomacy), China's involvement in Africa is colonialism by stealth and backdoor approach of gaining support on the global stage for it's disgusting human rights record, 54 UN votes at stake for the laying of some tarmac, and since it's pariah status after the Tiananmen Square massacre, an unhanded approach similar to which they took in getting Tedros appointed as head of W.H.O despite there being far superior candidates for the position.

I'm sure I read this CCP protagonist is Christian? Which is a minority religion in Malaysia (Wow they tolerate others religions in Malay, unlike the annexed Xinjiang province). Let's say there was a societal breakdown Malaysia, similar to Indonesia, given his anti-muslim sentiments which happens to be the official religion in Malaysia, let's say due to Chinnnaaaa's gift to the world (which of course they could have prevented, but instead, took the approach "hey have some of this") CoVid-19.

And the minority Christians and Hindus were then interned, with the healthy used for body parts (another Chinese practise and gift to the world), how would this time-warp babi feel about his children under going these sorts of organ extraction procedures and persecution due to religious beliefs.

The Falun Gong



10,000 Political Prisoners Murdered in China every year (money to be made so organs don't go to waste)


For for those interested how brutal the CCP is;

Really? I thought I was Kiwi, an Aussi perhaps, even an islander from Tristan da Cunha, a Scouse?? One thing I'm not, is a anjing apologist for state sponsored ethnic cleansing murder.

 

For all your toxic writings, have the decency to tell your adoring fans what nationality you are. Why are you so ashamed to even say that?

The CCP can track you down and cut off your balls to trade in one of their night markets?

 

Bbbwwwwwwwwahhhhhhhhhhhhh I just assume that the Lung-Yeh is feudin with the limey retard, hey hey.

 

Tell me "newlungs son then", do you sit there, fingers poised, foaming at the mouth, spittal (and CoVid) flying everywhere waiting for a response??

My toxic writing? WTF Who posted the narrative CoVid was introduced into ChinnnnnnAAAAAAAA by a USA Athletics team because they won no medals, plus a lot of other anti-west propagandist bullshit. Are chinese really that DUMB? Oh wait, you posted at Glenda's site, that you think he is a winner LMAO, have you seen his criminal record LOL. and wait, also that soxfan is a winner iiiiyyaaa, that tool is scared to cross the border and gamble at the Mo Sun (wonder why) and living on the bones of his ass in a flat in Toronto, disowned by his ex fambo due to his destructive gambling habit.

Appears you don't you like the truth? Maybe uncle you read this thread huh
https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/coronavirus.17980/page-17#post-120788

As for the CCP, CCP apologists, hackers whatever, they can KISS MY ASS, I'm with Serpentza and Anastasia Lin (Miss Canada)



Executed prisoners, what they fail to mention, is that prisoners are executed if they are a blood match for a paying donor


Children are not exempt, you don't even have to be dead first.


Persecution of Falun Gong


Living in Xinjiang


Stolen, the eyes of a 6 year old child in Xinjiang



As to where I am from? People with decency, people with morals are everywhere, other than that, it's none of your F*&king business uncle.

 

Shut up Huey, why you living in a rented flat having won $2.4M over the last dozen years? You son in Germany said "hey hey", actually he didn't, only his dad has that juvenile uncontrollable affixation. newlungs thinks you're a winner, gotta wonder why successful folk can be so naive, gullible and stupid at the same time.

 

Not assimilation as "newlung" the CCP apologist likes folk to believe, rather GENOCIDE

 

You laughing HUH?

But your not laughing as LOUD as me when I consider you got raped for $5000 US dollars, no amount of crying to alrelax got you reimbursed a cent, I suspected that despite your wealth, that you people are naive, gullible, basically out-right DUMB. And there you go, you confirmed it for everybody, bitching about America being a first world country and you shouldn't be helping people out, well ain't that a shame that you were so stupid, yes I'm laughing much louder than you.

No, no wild animal here, the Chinese peasants ate them all, if they haven't already, they sure will do soon.


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Everybody has a choice, I can only assume some on this forum have NOT been impacted by CoVid, not lost any loved ones, livelihood, their gambling fix not been impacted, no lock-downs or mask wearing, nothing?

Here we have somebody who blames the West for current global pandemic, also saying it's countries own fault for not being able to handle the current pandemic, yet some wish to engage in a separate topic, as I say it's a free world and only yourself can decide what principles you live by.

Here's a scenario, a Klansman or BLM member (take ya pick), burns down your home, kills your loved one, you wouldn't really discuss the weather with a different Klansman or BLM supporter, or perhaps gambling or would you??

There comes a time in ones life when you need to live and die via your principals, or does a gambling addiction over-ride all decency?

Lose your parent, partner, god forbid child, due to Covid and engage with somebody who states, it's your Governments fault for not being able to handle the pandemic, too bad as China's economy is once again booming, get the fuck outta here, have some principals. This decrepit CCP apologist needs shoeing to Weechat, Wiebo so he can slag the West with those than share similar views.

 

Stay put here junk! Speak to yourself shout to the wind… lmfao

 

Like I said swine, I'm laughing louder than you, I wasn't duped out of $50 buck, $500 buck, or even FIVE THOUSAND bucks PMSL, which you stupidly moaned and whinged about to Glenn hoping that he could get Mark to give you back, twice as much fun following that saga

Now I'm LMFAO

Anyway, kite flyers reading this, these Chinese are adamant Covid came from the USA, they are pushing hard, really hard on this crap (hence we have this CCP disgusting apologist trying his best to deflect the rhetoric.

The are spinning the narrative that because The W.H.O want to investigate the Wuhan Lab, an official chinese government spokesperson is pointing at Fort Detrick in the USA. This is what they are like, this is why they went in hard against Australia, the bastards know they are responsible for up to 8 million deaths and counting, and this "newlungyap" backs this shit all the way.

This snippets have been posted on the main chinese newspaper and TV channel, akin to a White House press briefing, basically the official chinese line.



This is what sane, rational nations have to deal with, a gullible race of peasant fed a false narrative by the CCP

 

Go on Serpentza, tell it like it is, things are being to simmer to the boil over the origins of CoVid, Chinnnnnaaaaaaa trying its best to save face.


Breaking - Did China just Declare WAR?

 

It was mentioned by The CCP apologist, that China has a culture or 5000 years compared to America's 500.

Unfortunately the communist party in chinna have systematically destroyed that 5000 year culture