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Baccarat Why is it so difficult to win?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Craps, Jun 2, 2021.

  1. Randy Burnett

    Randy Burnett Member

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    What is your next wager and why? 3 Player wins in a row.

    Hand 1 Hand 2 Hand 3
    Player: 3-1-4 (8) Player: 3-2-4 (9) Player: 7-4-7 (8)
    Bank: 5-2 (7) Bank: J-5-3 (8) Bank: 3-3-4 (0)
     
  2. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Well the drawing rule of the game are set in stones so a one million percents dead certainty that over times the bankers gonna pop more often than players. Of course, some will say that the difference is insignificant, or whatever, but it ain't, hey hey.
     
  3. Randy Burnett

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    Soxfan, What is your next wager and why? 3 Player wins in a row.

    Hand 1
    Player: 3-1-4 (8)
    Bank: 5-2 (7)

    Hand 2
    Player: 3-2-4 (9)
    Bank: J-5-3 (8)

    Hand 3
    Player: 7-4-7 (8)
    Bank: 3-3-4 (0)

    Wewin2222
     
  4. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Well that situation would call for the no-bet, hey hey.
     
  5. Randy Burnett

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    I would wager on the Player,,,

    Wewin2222
     
  6. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Ha but of course you'd come over the top and bet on players. That's why casino love you cats what trend, drive road and read shoe, hey hey.
     
  7. Randy Burnett

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    Player is the stronger wager based on what the cards are telling me. It could also be a positive progression and potential vector wager, based on the flow of the shoe.

    Wewin2222
     

  8. soxfan

    soxfan Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, I wonder how the gr8888one woulda buck up against that 3 players streak, hey hey????
     
  9. Jae

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    Unfortunately, it’s not the stronger wager. After 3 players in a row, the best bet is banker. After 4 days layers IAR, the best bet is banker. After 5 players IAR, the best bet is banker. Etc.

    Feel free to go through a few hundred shoes and tally up how many times it goes 4 players in a row versus the 3 IAR streak ending with a banker win. I’ll save you the time and effort… you’ll learn that banker wins more after 3 players IAR. You can test this with singles, doubles, etc.

    Okay ok… okay! But it’s different because some people can read the shoe, they’ve got that gamblers intuition, I get it. So if you see a shoe that looks like this:

    p
    P
    P
    P
    P
    B
    P
    P
    P
    P
    P
    B
    P
    P
    P
    P

    obviously it seems to favor the player. You might even think the next hand is going to be player. The best bet in this situation is…. *drumroll* …. Banker.

    if you went through hundreds of thousand, or millions of shoes pulling out that exact scenario, or any scenario you can imagine, the next best bet will always be banker.

    I don’t mind people that make player bets. I don’t mind when people try and make jokes that I don’t. Player wins a lot. Not as much as banker does, but it still wins a lot of hands in most any given shoe. But never make the assumption that player is the stronger bet after a certain scenario, because it’s simply not true.

    cheers!
     
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  10. Jimske

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    As usual the idiot soxfan is missing the whole point. In the short-term anything can happen.

    I can show you 7000 consecutive wagers selected at random where Player outperforms Banker.

    But no one is arguing that longer term Banker wins more. People like to round the numbers off to give Banker more of an advantage but the calculated odds are: "the player wins 49.32% of all non-tie bets, while the banker wins 50.68%." If you want to argue that go right ahead.

    As usual, the idiot soxfan leaves out the commission. I'll do the math for you and put it in real practical terms. B wins 136 more wagers than P but needs an additional 117 wins to pay the commission just to break even.

    Cutting to the chase to do that you must figure a way to predict more winners on Banker. So it doesn't really matter whether or not you think the cards are randomized. You must show a way to accomplish that without guessing.

    It appears Big Stack has done that with his OG regression style. OTH, the idiot soxfan is pissimg in the wind continually yelling "I win, I win." Yet he complains about the so-called trenders doing the same thing. I guess that's what makes him an idiot.

    Cheerios
     
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  11. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    @ Big Stack. to Simply argue that banker wins more than player is not the point. The point is continually betting Banker does not profit. If it did there wouldn't be a game called Baccarat. LOL
     
  12. gizmotron

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    You people that don't use visual dexterity crack me up.

    ppppBpppppBpppp

    Yet you have no problem using "visual dexterity" as a disparaging pejorative.

    I can see in a quick glance the patterns and trends. In your column I can only see useless information that can't be seen in a fraction of a second. You have to stop and count it all out in your head. This will take a few seconds.

    Here, I'll use it in a sentence so even a second grader can understand it. poopEATCRAPpooppoopEATCRAPpoopEATCRAPpoop. Good morning and have a nice breakfast.
     
  13. Craps

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    Try to understand what House Edge in Baccarat is.
    Probability = chance of winning a bet in %
    Odds = probability over payout ratio.
    House Edge = The House profit from you everytime you made a bet regardless of win , lose or tie. The exchanges of $$ made from House Edge from you may not happen for every bet you made but in the long run you will see the difference.
    Imagine B & P is perfectly even and no ties. House Commission on B wins is 5%. There are 4 outcomes of 4 different wagers.
    Bank wins.
    Bank losses.
    Player wins.
    Player losses.
    Only Bank wins is less 5% money.
    After these 4 outcomes $5 is off a $100 wager. Therefore $5 divided by 4 is $1.25. That is the House Edge that the House win from you on each of the 4 outcomes although you only see $5 taken off from the Bank win. Put in the tie and the probability of 0.68% more B will work out to House Edge on B is 1.04% and House Edge on P is 1.24%.
    So DO NOT THINK YOU ARE NOT LOSING WHEN YOU DID NOT LOSE A BET. THE HOUSE EDGE WORKS ON YOU FOR EVERY SINGLE BET YOU MADE REGARDLESS WIN OR LOSE.
    So please do not think betting on B only is a winner. That's the definition of -EV
     
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  14. Nathan Detroit

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    Loser junket king is a liar. I never reported him . Typical to play victim of evil ND.


    It is the internet and lies are a way of life for some people.
     
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  15. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Remove a lot of picture cards and replace with low value cards and you have a streak~less shoe.

    You crack me up offering endless comment in a game you have no experience with. Jae was correct, but how and which side you bet next, would depend what if any bets you placed prior to the three player streak.
     
  16. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    So who did report Johno?
     
  17. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Your memory must be following the same direction as your BR. You did a few years back.
     
  18. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I'm sick and tired of you corn balled imbeciles. You are worthless at trying to tell me about trends or patterns. I'm the expert. You guys display a total lack of skill and call it the best. I'm looking at your trend skills and it's clearly a joke.

    As far as playing Baccarat goes, it for chumps like you that don't have the skills to play more than one data stream of results at once. You get one 50/50 data stream with Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack if you chose to play those games as Even Chance. You don't need to argue with me about the house advantage and the obvious offset advantage that the casino has on each hand or roll of the dice. You come off sounding like some egotistical James Bond in a Tux kind of anachronism. You might know how to play Baccarat and win like a real experienced player. That has been my long time impression of you. To tell me I don't know how to play your inferior game so I can't comment on it means that you actually believe that. I don't take you as someone that just likes to poke at people for the fun of it. Baccarat, with it's single stream of results, Banker, Player, or worthless Tie are a joke to me. If we could bet on a fair coin toss I would kick your ass on who does better consistently. I know this because you can't explain your bet selection process. If it actually works then it would be giving away the HG. Something you dared me to do.

    I don't need a worthless game like Baccarat, Craps, or Blackjack. If they take away Roulette then I will join you children in the peanut gallery. Meanwhile you can polish your Tux and piss off.
     
  19. Jae

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    You should probably report him for calling you a loser. That’s cyber bullying. He’s already been warned by the admin, and he didn’t call you a loser “respectfully.”
     
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  20. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

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    The expert…

    Baccarat is filled with infinite data streams, just because you only see banker or player doesn’t mean there are only two. In roulette, it’s just laid out for you easier, red/black, even/odd, etc. you can turn baccarat into whatever data stream you want, naturals, doubles, triples, etc. the possibilities are endless. Decisions are faster than roulette, payouts are faster, house edge is lower, I mean… what the hell are you an expert in anyways? Identifying the games with more layouts on the board. Maybe you’d like the game of craps.
     
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