Blackjack Current feud with Qfit (Norman Wattenberger)

The reason the million dollar question is important is because Norm is selling a product. Granted the price is not an issue. But if the content is flawed? It could be costing players tons of money.

Flash did nothing to help Norm's character which constantly comes into question. But Norm defended Flash/Marc to the ends of the earth. Seems like an odd thing to do for someone he'd never met.

I found my answers to my game. But it was a journey. Marc's constant interruptions cost me time. Alot of time and work. Listen to Don S. He is the voice of reason and logic. Too many cooks spoil the pot.

 

So where does 21Forme fit in this puppetry of musical chairs?

 

He doesn't!. You have always been wrong about 21forme. He is a legit AP that has met and played with a lot of players.

I have never known what your issue with him is, nor really care but you are wrong about almost everything you speculate concerning him. And I am not saying that because I consider him my friend. You are just factually wrong about almost everything you say about him.

 

I don't have a problem with him putting me and others. Some thought he was binv chicken shit by listing his "holds" in his signature. It didn't bother me.

Where I have a problem is when he could've responded at BJTF but didn't until I couldn't respond. THAT makes him sound like Norm.

Is he Flash/Marc? There are many similarities.
1,) He writes like Flash without the blue ink. Especially, when he graces all with more than 2 sentences.
2.) He started posting about the same time Flash stopped.
3.) Neither will stand up to Freighter.
4.) Both kiss Don S ass. Especially, when it comes to grammar and spelling.
5.) He was not on that email list. The only "AP" who wasn't.
6.) He acts like he has a medical background.
7.) Both are know-it-all assholes.
8.) Both have a problem with Zee. 21Forme stalked him on other forums. Even wanted Zee banned from a car forum. Yet, T3 stood up for 21forme on that issue, even though he was on his ignore list.
9.) Both think they are Gods gift to blackjack.
10.) Both are two-faced. 21Forme talks shit on Norm on other forums. Then acts like they are buddies at BJTF.
11.) Both are cowards. Flash is an absolute wimp when confronted by email. But tough guy on a forum. HA! HA! He's an old joke.
12.) 21Forme had alot to say when I can't respond. Both hate Zen Zone.

Well, here we are 21Forme.

 

Sociopath? 21Forme writes at BJTF. Naw, I can't still believe a 69 year old man has no clue about life. If you run your mouth and hide? It's like punching yourself in the gut. You will never get beyond that fear. Now you may think it's cute to talk shit on others who can't respond. It may be...until your caught.

Ive worked very hard to gey my game to where I want it to be. More importantly, to get it to where it needs to be in order to play and profit within casino tolerance. Win today - play tomorrow.

Don S was a help. He is intelligent and has a strong work ethic. But it's guys like you that make the process difficult. Darn near impossible. Keep being an idiot and a lazy bum. It's clear Im the lobster who climbs out of the boiling water. You are the trying to pull others down into the pot. Because you're not smart enough or have enough savvy to get out.

 

KJ. If you want to post you lies and false accusations about me here or at Zen Zone? I will be happy to respond.

You have an account at both forums. If you would only put your money where your mouth is? I would be a rich man.

Wait...I am.

 

I have no idea if you are Don S. Tom Brady, or President Trump.

But one thing about Don. I've been reading these forums for 5.5 years. I don't recall him ever posting one ounce of bullshit. Sure he gets pissed. Who doesn't?

I would like read more about what you have to say on two topics.
1) The EOR assigned to the 2.
2,) The value of the first card of your hand being a ten or an Ace.

 

January 7, 2020

Another landmark has been reached in the 1st week of year of grace 2020, the beginning of a new decade of grace: 40,000 (forty-thousand) views! Over 5,000 extra views in days!

It flies like an asteroid! One wonders how long will it take to reach an even more significant milestone: 50,000 (fifty-thousand) views?

This notorious cuckoo, Norman Wattenberger, and his GF/BF, Psychodon Schlesinger, are deeply indebted to the GamblingForums and yours truly. Their names light up the virtual gambling world like a long-lasting meteor shower.

More interestingly, the first page on the Blackjack forum here is kinduva 3000 Club — each thread reached 3000 views.



Ion Saliu
Search Master At-Large
Founder of Blackjack Total-Mastery
https://forums.saliu .com/card-counting-blackjack.html
“Card Counting Blackjack Systems: Reversed Counts, Total Count, All BJ Cards, Losses for All Counting Systems.”

 

Congratulations? Freighter and Bosox have somewhat worn out their welcomes at BJTF. Bosox is getting lit up for speaking his mind at BJinfo.
So is LC Larry.

MickeyCrimm is bored.

KJ and 21Forme already are here. But too afraid to speak.

Come on over. Ion is buying.

 

The 12 Lies of KJ. I think it's up to 15 now. Plus 3 from his side kick 21Forme will be posted soon.

It will prove KJ is a monstrous liar. Nothing he has written in this thread can be trusted.

Advantage Norm.

 

January 21, 2020
Another landmark has been reached: 46,000+ (forty-six thousand) views! Over 6,000 extra views in two weeks!

It still flies like an asteroid! On this occasion, however, this special momment reminds me of an interesting story. It is about a tremendous woman related to Norman Wattenberger and Don Schlesinger. Her name is Binka Voranko. She is an accomplished gambler.

Binka Voranko is an avid practitioner of my gambling systems, specifically for blackjack and roulette:

• https://saliu .com/occult-science-gambling.html#GamblingSystem
• “Blackjack Mental System”

• https://download.saliu .com/roulette-systems.html#roulette-system
• “The Easiest And Most Straight-Forward Free Roulette System Based On Wheel Bias”

I met Binka Voranko in Atlantic City at then Trump’s Taj Mahal. Her feminine intuition told her I was there. She took the seat next to me at the blackjack table. “I’m happy I found you, Parpaluck,” she said. “Let’s play!”

After hefty wins for both of us at blackjack, we moved to roulette. We won pretty big again. And then — we played! She was comped in style. She was accommodated in a sensual hotel room. “Why is Trump’s Taj Mahal your favorite,” I asked her. “Donald Caligula Trump fuqued me a few times this year alone,” she answered candidly.

Binka Voranko and I fuqued like crazy in her comped room. Matter of fact, the stylish room increased my fuquing prowess by orders of magnitude. We did it for hours and hours over a one week period.

Unfortunately, I was forced to sever the relationship. I also ran away from Atlantic City fearing for my life. Binka Voranko and I had just accomplished a long and intense fuquing session. She told me in a heavily breathing voice: “You fuque so much better than Norman Wattenberger and Don Schlesinger — combined.”

I was flabbergasted! “They are my lovers,” she explained. “Sort of,” she continued. “The old pharts can’t fuque at all… and don’t enter a casino… for the past three decades or so. Yet, they are so jealous that they threatened to kill me if I drop them to the trash bin of history…”

Binka Voranko knew about my run-ins with Norman Wattenberger and Psychodon Schlesinger. “You know how Psychodon is,” she warned me in a frightened voice. “You wrote about it in a newsgroup. Psycho DScless said that he would shoot dead every gambler who doesn’t apply counting systems… his and Norm’s systems.”

She continued while I was getting dressed as fast as I could. “The two of them gave me an example. It served as a warning. They told me that they killed KewlJ several times. That’s because he won so much money using the counting systems and software created by Norman Wattenberger and Don Schlesinger. But KewlJ never — ever — shared his tremendous fortune with the two notorious gambling authors.”

Indeed, KewlJ, the original poster in this thread, has announced his death several times. He claims he attracts so much attention with his casino winnings that he is often robbed and killed.

“And now the two psychos are going to kill me because I fuqued you,” I screamed while leaving the stylish, comped hotel room in a hurry. I stay away from Binka Voranko… actually, from Norman Wattenberger and Psychodon Schlesinger. Who knows how many times they would kill me…

Ion Saliu
Founder of Casino Fuquing-Mastery

 

January 30, 2020
A super feeling of anticipation! A very, very special landmark has been reached: 50,000 (ficty thousand) views! How high can it fly?

I first posted in this thread in the year of grace 2017. The number of views was under 1000. The thread took off after I posted quite regularly here.

• https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/current-feud-with-qfit-norman-wattenberger.6635/page-7#post-39061

You are deeply indebted to me, Norman Wattenberger (aka Shkiottorban). You too, Don Schlesinger (aka Kaufchewk). You are now more popular than the Pop himself in Cyberworld! Remember the credo of your fellow New Yorker, Donald Caligula Trump:

• There ain’t no bad publicity — there is only publicity.

• https://saliu .com/freeware/covfefePerms.html
• https://forums.saliu .com/armageddon-jesus-trump.html

Many happy returns! To you too, Stormy Normy (I chilled you out, though)! To you too, Raging Bull Donny (I chilled you out, though)! And many happy returns to all here!

Ion Saliu
Founder of Excellence in Philosophical Art of Gambling
• https://saliu .com/civilization.html

 

February (13-1), 2020
How high can it fly? 55,000 (fifty-five thousand) views! Only KewlJ’s out-of-body experiences can fly higher.

KewlJ, the original poster in this cloud-level thread, describes his out-of-body experiences at bjinfo forums. Such threads are usually titled sum like “KJ's end of year review / report”. There has been worry recently, though.

I RSS here just a few posts. They are short and comply with the fair use doctrine of copyright legislation. I know, you know, the Norman Wattenberger-Shkiottorban has another one of his infamous mouthfoaming convulsions. Fortunately for him, his GF/BF Don Schlesinger-Kaufchewk is always nearby…

“Botom Idiot” BoSox wrote:
“Give it a rest will ya. What are you doing looking for a loan, or a temporary free room and board?”

“Druggy Monkey” Xengrifter replied:
“I will never play poker with you.”

“Bosom Brain” bwssr made the smartest remark in there:
“It's getting to be like a soap opera in here.”

“Druggy Monkey” Xengrifter replied in the most typical gambling forum fashion:
“No, it always has been.”

Cunting_Is_Fun, another typical idiotic, bloated ego of Norm forum fame wanted to leave his own mark in the forum dust:
“It was starting to be a good forum...until KewlJ has started to not post anymore.”

KewlJ hasn’t got much time to post nowadays. He lives thru one of his infamous deaths. In this universal time, he plays blackjack in heaven. The news coming out relates KewlJ has won planetary amounts of divine cryptocurrency.

The latest development — Devil’s pundits bet at SQR(10) to 1 odds that Saint Keter himself is gonna rob and kill KewlJ. All that money would serve an even greater purpose. God would have a greater bankroll in playing dice with the Universe.

But what a special death KewlJ’s would be! An absolute first in the Universe: death to the power of two!

Ion Saliu
Founder of Excellence in Philosophical Art of Gambling
• https://saliu .com/civilization.html
• “Civilization Is the Permutation of the Fundamental Elements of Consciousness: Art, Religion, Science, Philosophy.”

 

they are killing you with million dollar simple routines over at wov website!!! ROMAFL you spend all your time online seemingly in a wheelchair talking down to everyone.

here is the way to make a million dollars real quick.

How to make a million dollars playing Blackjack!

So I've seen tons and tons of articles and discussions on how to count cards, how to calculate your EV, ROR and everything else, but never really seen much on how to actually make a living from it. So I thought it might be fun to break things down, both mathematically and practically. So here it is..How to make a million dollars playing Blackjack!

So you've bought a couple books on Blackjack, learned to count cards and done a lot of chatting on the forums..that's great but how do you actually make a living playing Blackjack?? Its extremely difficult, so I thought I would try to break it down. Let's assume for argument sake you have learned to count perfectly, can keep the running count easily and can calculate true count accurately. Let's also assume you have learned and can implement the I'll 18 indices, and you've decided to become a professional blackjack player. Well, first you're going to need some money..so let's say you saved up a little. You will need both a Bankroll and some money to live.
If you're going to quit your job and commit all your time to Blackjack for a year, you need to have either estimated the amount of money you need to live for a year, plus travel expenses, or have someone that will help you pick up the slack financially. I strongly suggest preparing the numbers accurately for yourself and/or whoever you choose to walk through life with, and with the understanding that the final outcome will be worth it. So let's talk about your playing!

Let's assume a common spread of 1-10 using I'll 18 indices (Hi-Lo) playing 2D H17 or 6D S17. Good enough to beat six deck and aggressive for double deck. So we're going to start with a spread of $5 - $50..our big bet coming out at TC+5 and leaving the table at TC-2, and only playing games with a deck penetration of at least 65% (85% for 6D). These games are out there if you try hard to find them, I live in the middle of nowhere and there is a 6D S17 LS game within a few hours away that deals down to less than a deck. Playing this way will bring a win rate of around $17 an hour (or around $2 per shoe) on a 2D game, slightly less per hour on a good 6D game. Let's talk about Bankroll!

I strongly suggest keeping your Bankroll separate from everything else, so how much money do you need? I would suggest around 100 max bets, or around $5,000. Assuming perfect play, this will give you about a 99% success rate! Meaning you will have a 99% chance of doubling that money and only 1% chance of losing it all. But what if you dont have that much? Well let's check the numbers for what you do have..

Bankroll:
$5,000 (1% risk of ruin)
$2,500 (10% risk of ruin)
$1,000 (40% risk of ruin)

So while you may not absolutely need 100 max bets, having less is a bit risky. But you can always roll the dice and see what happens!

So you take your money and hit the tables for a few months, you travel around, you get a few back offs but you dont let it stop you! You have some good days, bad days, fun times, and lonely times but after a few months of grinding it out you make some money and double your Bankroll!
That's awesome, so what now?

So at $17 an hour (or $2 per shoe) theoretically, with perfect play you should double a $5,000 Bank after about 2,500 shoes played. Now, this could happen after only 1,000 shoes or take much longer, but let's say it happened!
You now have over $10k as your Blackjack Bankroll, well I would certainly suggest a resize! It's now safe to up your bets, I would suggest to start spreading $10 - $100 (or try $5 - $100 if you think you can get away with it), this will double your hourly win rate! Again, it should take you (theoretically) another 2,500 shoes played to double that up, or around 3,000 to bring your bank from $10k up to $25k. And now your new risk of ruin with a $10,000 Bankroll spreading $10 - $100 is again 1%. But for me, at this level, even that is too risky! What happens if after a resize you experience a big loss? All that hard work and months of winnings being lost, that sucks! Well that's why we keep our Bankroll separate, because there is a way to protect it. With a $10k Bankroll, by resizing up you have a 90% chance of doubling it up again and only a 10% chance of losing back what you have won (just your winnings, not your entire Bankroll). If you unfortunately get knocked back down to $5k, you should go back to spreading $5 - $50 and start over, doing this resets your risk back to 99%, if you dont your risk will be around 10%. So if you choose to resize everytime your Bankroll is either doubled or cut in half, you can expect in the long run to double your bankroll 9 times and only have to downsize once. So it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for after a solid year of full-time play to double your Bankroll 3 or 4 times! So as an example, this is what it would look like..

$5 - $50 ($5,000)
$10 - $100 ($10,000)
$25 - $250 ($25,000)
$50 - $500 ($50,000)
$100 - $1,000 ($100,000)

So let's say after a year of full-time play you have logged around 10,000 shoes (or well over 1,000 hours), you could mathematically expect to have doubled your Bankroll 4 times, taking it from just $5,000 - to nearly $100,000! And the best part is now, every year, you can continue to play full-time and expect to make this much, if not more, every single year! You can now begin to put away a percentage of your winnings (let's say 25%) to live off of while continuing to build your Bankroll and keeping your risk astronomically low. Mathematically if you were to run a spread of $100 - $1,000, with a Bankroll of over $100,000 you would expect to rack up $1M of EV at about 25,000 shoes played. That is only a few years of full-time play!

Now I know what you're thinking by now, this is just a bunch of bullshit! Before then you will just be trespassed by every Casino in the Country and probably end up broke..but try telling that to guys like Tommy Hyland who have been doing this for decades! Guys like KC, Ryemo, Yoshi and myself who are doing this now, or Colin Jones who made millions by not only trusting the math, but inspiring others to do the same! My purpose of this post, if nothing else, is to provide an interesting read and hopefully inspire someone the way I have been inspired. Hope to hear some feedback from you guys!

 

Neon Ion. Why did you not mention 21forme?

He may be the man behind the curtain. No?

 

Tater/Moses:

Apparently, you don’t have a royalty name. It is unacceptable in a public place where I make my presence felt. Every human being deserves a royalty-name and should boast one.
• Your royalty name is hereby Kotrocheeller. Embrace it and cherish it, Kotrocheeller!

It is also apparent that you try seriously to bring me into some discussions (i.e. bickering) typical of all gambling forums. They wouldn’t exist without such acts.

I certainly do bickering — but on my terms only. In this particular virtual place, it all started with one Norman Wattenberger (royalty-name: Shkiottorban). I then enlarged the scope to cover also one Don Schlesinger (royalty-name: Kaufchewk).

Even more recently, I focused my fiery writing in order to cure a lamentable sicko named KewlJ. He happens to be the original poster in this thread. Alas! His schizophrenia is so deep that he believes he is dead and also alive because of his gambling successes! Because his tremendous blackjack winnings, KJ is often robbed and killed! He doesn’t have a real name because he is alive; he doesn’t have a royalty name because he is dead.

• As for 21forme, I first advanced the theory that he was Norman Wattenberger himself. Norm has always created such characters in the hou’ that he built: The Asylum (BJTF). One strong characteristic: both are monosyllabic morons. The lazy mindedness makes them express, most of the time, in one short sentence.

I changed my theory. I was directed to another sicko place, bjinfo, where I was attacked by coward Don Schlesinger (aka Kaufchewk). It was in that place that I also found the ubiquitous, forum-addict KewlJ. One thread was fittingly entitled: “KJ's end of life review / report”!

(By the way – how can you, guys, be so addicted to gambling forums?! Methinks you, guys, attend sum twenty forums, day and night — or moh?)

My new, and more truthful, theory is: KewlJ cannot be Norman Wattenberger. N0rm is unforgiving. His dark nature would not forgive anybody who had run-ins with him. In this particular situation, Norman, via 21forme, is too loving of KewlJ/KJ! No way in hell that can happen!

Therefore, the theory with the highest degree of certainty (DC) is the following:
• 21forme is “Druggy Monkey” Xengrifter/Zengrifter.

He too is a monosyllabic moron. One-short-sentence expression is his modus operandi. He is also a good impersonator. In his zenzone forum, the place where you freeze alone, he impersonates N0rm and Three. In this place, “Druggy Monkey” Xengrifter/Zengrifter, created another alias, Axiomatic, where he impersonates… KewlJ! He became familiar with the term Axiomatic when I first posted in his forum.

“Druggy Monkey” Xengrifter/Zengrifter is also characterized by another form of addiction. He shows strong dependency on other people. He loves to be a servant to others. He had been a self-appointed “moderator” at bj21 forum and Snitser’s forum (aka Arnold Snyder). His handle over there was ETFan. I was one of his favorite targets — he always banned me immediately after he realized I was Ion Saliu (royalty-name Parpaluck)!

“Druggy Monkey” Xengrifter/Zengrifter does have his own forum, but he isn’t capable of taking care of it. Here is an idea. Why don’t you negotiate with “Druggy Monkey” Xengrifter/Zengrifter? Buy his forum and make it your own. You don’t have to beg the N0rms and Rogers and wizards of the world to allow you in their stinky places! Just open your own forum and write whatever you want to, while banning anyone you have run-ins with.

By the way — I also saw Don Schlesinger (aka Kaufchewk) begging the N0rms and Rogers of the world to appoint him Da Sword Moderator. Why doesn’t he buy his own forum? Isn’t he the amasser of that fortune from playing blackjack with his infallible card-cunting systems?

You are a bj card -counter too, aren’t you? You can buy and launch a forum with the winnings of one hour or two of playing blackjack!

Instead of baby-crying, just buy your own forums, guys! Nobody will ever be able to ban you. And you will moderate as you will please!

 

My introduction to forums came with eye opening responses from rude people back in August 2013. Silly me, I thought it would be interesting to interact with other competitors.

What I found was a big group of pampas assholes running the show as posters and puppets.

I was told to read more and post less. So I started scanning. As a result, many of your eye opening articles were there to be read. It provides quite a different perspective to say the least.

I mainly report what Ive read which I was told to do by Norm and/or his puppets in the first place.

By September 2016, it was clear BJTF was no longer about blackjack. But rather ZenMaster Flash/Marc and his many puppets running the show as the biggest asshole on earth.

After 3 years of trying to be nice. I decided right then and there to become a bigger asshole than him.

 

Addicted to forums? I certainly hope not. Searching for answes is more likely the case. This is extremely difficult because of all the moving targets posing as puppets.

Is seems as though moderators are too busy too moderate their own forums because they are trying to modeate as posters on other forums.

 

No. Im not interested in buying any forums. Zen Zone provides a platform to respond to loudmouths who address me and then hide behind their mouse.

Create confusion to confound the understanding is the motive for forums. Is anything ever resolved?