Feedback Should we enforce our Rule #1 - Be Respectful ?

My answer is FUCK NO.

Rule # 1 will turn into #2, #3, and on. Pretty soon, there will be a fat fucking disgusting whale mod suspending everyone.

 

GOOD TOPIC
some thoughts
1- the following is a section in wov......FREE SPEECH ZONE
"Posts in this forum will not be busted, as long as they don't violate Nevada state law or Federal law"
On this site....it could be the lounge...or you can make a seperate section with the above standard. Right now the lounge is being used as the "free speech zone".

2- All other areas can have rule #1 apply. So if someone posts a well intentioned comment on a craps thread....of course he shouldnt be called a fucking idiot.

But here is the hard part for you the admin

3- not everything is so clear as being called a "fucking idot".or a "bagel eater"
insults come in all shapes and sizes. And you are going to put yourself in the position to judge the different shapes and sizes of insults.

saying sarcastically....." you are a real genius".........has gotten someone suspended on wov.
it is indeed an insult.
And you will get people crying to you "he insulted me",,, and then you have to decide if the insult was big enough.
And if you do not find it actionable....you will get people asking "why" not
And if you do find it actionable you will get people crying....let us be adults .....
And then based on past admin decisions..you will then get "I was suspended for calling tonyg123 "dickehead".....but he called me a "big jerk" yesterday and nothing happened.....or he called me a"poorly developed ap"....i find that an insult....

I do think that outside a FREE SPEECH ZONE.........people can expect to have their comments be debated without insult.....or ignored. I can understand that. And I think people who are challenged in a non insulting way, and come back with bigoted slurs, or foul language can be censored and have that post removed for insults/ vulgarities,,,,,or punished if you choose.

The thing to me is that if someone is insulted, and you feel it really is an insult....just punishing the person isnt enough. The insult has to either be removed for good, or thrown in a trash pile heap in the "free speech zone"....possibly in just one thread where all insults go, in no specific topic order...just allowing someone to see where their post went/ and then they have the opportunity to rewrite it without the insult. I think sending posts that are insulting off to a trash pile heap that has no topic order to it (insults in craps, sports betting, slots, blackjack all mixed together) makes the trash heap thread basically unreadable since there is no continuity of topic..//thereby not making it an attraction.

Its so much more work for the admin, but then there could be after a certain amount of removals to the trash bin in the free speech zone.....there can be suspensions. Just as you did with OAB after certain amount of warnings. The number of posts in the free speech zone trash bin will be used as the "counter" to determine the number of infractions a member has. So no one will be surprised if a suspension came around to them or their neighbor. Its all there ...transparent. And you can set the rules...like 3 trips to the trash pi gets 3 days, and then the next 3 trips over the next year, gets 7 days. If a year or 6 months goes by with no infractions..it gets wiped to zero....rules like that....the specifics arent that important as long as they are posted and known to anyone willing to read the rules section.

 

SO i voted "yes" with the above explanation

 

As far as KJ claiming how he cant recommend this site because he has seen insults.

Well yeah, he used your site for the last couple of months to beat us into the ground with his personal fight with QFIT and shackelford. Sometimes insulting them. He didnt use vulgarities or racist or bigoted slurs. But I am sure the parties on the other end would find some of the characterizations as being "insulting".

So since he doesnt want to be viewed as a hypocrite ....I would guess that he would be in favor of a free speech zone where he could continue to plead his case and use insulting language.

that is once he got down off his high horse.

I dont know if shackelford or QFIT are AP's......but if AP's are sensitive to being insulted......they must be sensitive about being insulted from a distance.....like on sites that they dont post on.

 

Not sure where you draw the line. I want to literally destroy people who call Larry a Jew and there is no place for it, but I am fine with people calling him (or me) an idiot for nothing other than our opinions. But you are opening yourself up to be second guessed on every decision with firm rules. Even then you are going to piss someone off with your decisions. Larry and a few others live online to complain about decisions made elsewhere.

To me your allowing roulette and stock scammers to post freely on here is worse as some poor fuck will lose his ass if he falls for these guys scams. And in many cases there are real life consequences to those actions. He may have a family that will suffer or worse from the garbage you are allowing. And saying you don't allow them to post sales links is a poor defense. Far worse than any comments or insults directed to Larry, me or anyone else on here.

My unsolicited advise is if you are just looking to make money off the site, allow anything. Why stop at gambling just because it is in the title? Fake viagra sellers, fishers, hackers and others love the opportunities you could offer with just the simple information you already have. Add in other questionable options and you can make the money you have stated as your long term goals. It's easy to justify anything, you are well on your way already.

 

people who call me a jew are not insulting me. Its only an insult if people feel jews are inferior in some way.
I will gladly be called a jew.

its the adjectives attached to it that can be insulting.

 

Look Mr admin,

I don't want you to amend all your policies because I don't care for some. I am not here to re-write how you run your site. But I am glad you have opened discussions on some of them. I applaud you for that. All I am doing is offering some opinion on some of the polices that I don't care for and explain why.

As per insults: I came here to make my case to Mike Shackleford concerning his handling of my banning. Since there was already a long running thread, it was a perfect fit. And because this site allows insults, I have engaged in some of that. That is not really who I am, but I have gone gutter at times. You have decided to allow the site to be pretty liberal as far as insults, both insults directed at members and non-members. That's fine. I do think there should be some sort of limit, especially concerning insults between members. I go back to that KJisGay, sock puppet attack of myself. That was way over the line. I also think WoN, who I like and supported me at times is over the line at times.

Allowing that kind of thing isn't encouraging the kind of quality discussion that will build membership, which you have stated is a top priority and folks (new members) that are drawn to that, is not going to enhance this site or take it down the path that I think you are looking to go.

A good example is the member 'Shadroch' that I reconnected with here, after not communicating with him on any site since a former BJ site closed 5 years ago. Funny how Shadroch didn't stay long. Although I don't know him real well, certainly not personally, I suspect the brutal attacks allowed on this site were a turn-off to him. (I also suspect the whole doxxing situation was a concern, as I stated that it would be to many AP types).

Maybe it's just me, but I think some of the best arguments and points made, by myself and others, is when they/we don't go directly to the gutter. I think we can all make our points without getting so nasty. As a matter of fact, going directly to the gutter, I feel diminishes any argument any of us are making. But that's just me.

 

This is great. So let me ask....if a person posts a roulette method (free of charge), is that person scamming? (by your definition)

Ken

 

Hey Admin, I will be like KJ....I will use your site to spend months fighting my battles with wov like he did.....i will use your site to hurl insults in the direction of wov and shackleford........but oh no.....I will NOT recommend your site to others because its so repulsive to me.

oh yeah....but I am not telling you to change anything.

WTF

 

Shut the fuck up LarryS....you dick. (as allowed and encouraged here).

Seriously LarryS, I have seen you say things like "no one cared until it involved KJ, maybe you weren't as well like as KJ". Of course you are not as liked as KJ. You are a very unlikable person! (at least online) I am not saying that to be mean....you really are. I have seen you treat no one with any kind of respect.

You have said a number of times that I am only concerned with myself. Ditto goes for you LarryS. You make everything about you.

 

its all scamming because there is not any roulette methods that mean anything....I vote no to enforcing the rule.

 

I'm the advantage community. I'm the only asshole here willing to put up legitimate tactics in gambling games. Do you know why I don't like those assholes who announce to themselves and every one else that they are Advantage Players? Because I know the difference. Those candy ass motherfuckers can't make a dime gambling. But they know how to mine the gamblers. Who are these mystery advantage gamblers that you propose? Fuck them little bitches. Make them come out here and make a statement about how they don't like us....or them little candy asses will do us so much better if we will just kiss their punk asses. One famous buttfuck? Get out of here. It will never happen. You are going to kill your site if you institute such a rule.

Any asshole that can teach a good gambling game should be able to take all the heat he gets from the public. If he can't do that then he is a big bag of shit. If he can't take it and dish it back then who in the hell would want to deal with a piece of shit like that.

Free speech. Period.

 

I for one have been guilty of hurling insults at a few people in here, do I regret what I've said NOT at all. But I do moderate my own forum and I have a "ranting room" that is just for anything goes. It's clearly stated.

To Boz " literally destroy" go fuck yourself, you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. So keep your gangster talk to yourself.

I think this forum has some good potential as a gambling forum. Mickey posts the best information. Thus my thoughts are yes be respectful policy should be enforced.

 

Leave as is, this is not a kiddies forum, censorship opens up too much subjectivity. I wish the and any other wannbe sellers would fuck off, do they now start objecting to the use of language. Censorship and mods ruined one the best gambling sites on the internet Gamblersglen which might disappear in a few months, this board will find it's own middle ground eventually just like GG did.

The most popular threads on this is relate to bashing other sites / people and mods. Once again you have created a situation were MIFFED WoV members who only sign up because they dislike certain topics can vote to determine the board policy. Personally I would stamp on any racist shit and I think the admin should look at extending this stupid 5 min edit period and allow people to remove posts. The claim that it would prevent people posting predictions / forecasts and then going back and altering their posts, doesn't wash, firstly nobody is doing that, secondly such action is not possible when messages are quoted in replies. I don't like the fact you can in the heat of the moment say something which you later regret and can't pull back.

Forget all this pie in the sky mumbo jumbo mantra being the premier gambling site on the internet, the site is what it is, it will last or it won't, just enjoy the traffic no matter how it is attracted.

 

Kj.
So nice of you to measure the dislike of me compared to you.
The person who went years on wov wearing blinders as neighbors were mistreated.
The munchkins like people like you who don't complain until you are personally affected.
The munchkins dislike people like me who stand up for my neighbor.
I was lightyears ahead of recognizing what you complain about in your personal whinings.
While the hypocrite munchkins come out of the shadows to support you...and then recede into the shadows when they find you to be not so forthcoming.
Now they are gone...maybe partly because me and rs. And axhole and others called you out for leaving out important info while you were garnering support

so I can see your angst and need to feel superior to me in being liked. That's OK the people who like you are not people I crave to garner the favor off. That is if there are any left.

 

Sorry buddy but anyone who attacks based on race or religion is the lowest of the lows. You deserve nothing in life

 

Larry you are a weird and kind of annoying guy. It is no wonder people seem to not like you very much.

You seem to be at war with WoV because you were banned. And you take the view that people have to either be with you or against you. I said before that you and freddy seem to dislike some people just because they are members at WoV. That automatically makes them your enemy.

I am not at war with WoV. I am not at war with any of the members at WoV, even a few vocal (former friend types) that have come here to be critical of me. I am not at war with the mods and that includes one female mod that I have some criticisms of. I am not even at war with Michael Shackleford. I just wanted him to know that he treated me unfairly (which he should and does know) and that by disrespecting me and my contributions to the site, just because his friend asked him to....that he hurt me.

You and other can and likely will make fun of that. Maybe I am too sensitive. Maybe I take this issue too seriously. But I chose to participate at WoV, trying my best to contribute positively to the site for 4 years, and he brushed me off with a slap to the face because his friend asked him too. A friend that is not a real member of the site, and doesn't contribute regularly.

I mean we are coming up on 6 months and where is Qfit as far as WoV? Yep, he has disappeared again. Maybe he will surface in another 5 years, but it is obvious he had no intention of participating. His single objective was to silence me. The membership all know that, even those that don't support me. The mods all know that and several have acknowledged that, as well as that I was not treated fairly (in as far as they are able to go). Mike himself knows this. I think I deserve to hear him say that. Maybe we have crossed some sort of line and are past the point of any possible return to the site. And maybe I am partially at fault for that. But just once I would like to hear this guy admit what everyone knows and say yeah I was wrong. I have lost so much respect for him because he continues to not be big enough to do this.

But you are right, the fact that some of my "neighbors" have been mistreated isn't necessarily my concern. That is your concern so make your case. But don't fault me, because I am not that interested, nor know the details, nor am interested in spending a lot of time, looking up the details. I am not your advocate.

 

I point out the hypocrisy of kj using the site for months to present his case which included insulting others...

While sitting on his high horse declaring he can't recommend this site.

And his response is that less people like me than him. He is Mr popularity .

It's like a smothers brothers routine.

 

Cracking all of this, don't forget to vote