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Blackjack Current feud with Qfit (Norman Wattenberger)

Discussion in 'Personal Feuds' started by KewlJ, Feb 13, 2017.

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  1. Parpaluck

    Parpaluck Active Member

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    Another landmark has been reached within the month: 35,000 (thirty-five thousand) views! Over 5,000 extra views within 2 weeks!

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    Ion Saliu
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    https://saliu .com/Ion_Saliu.html
     
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  2. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    KJ writes: I would never go back to BJTF.

    You tell'em Spiderman. Or as your queer friend 21Formr says..."Spidey."

    You are both nuttier than squirrel turds.
     
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    Tater Well-Known Member

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    ...2sentenceforme. And this is your poster boy at BJTF talking shit on you Norm.

    You want to say something to me here?
    Or is this site not good enough for you either? This post is proof you are mentally irregular.
     
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  4. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    Is that you Don S? I agree and disagree. A long trip for Flashme is to the bathroom. A successfull trip is when he actually makes it.
     
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  5. Tater

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    Wow. KJ used the word "Stinky" at least 20 times regarding Norm. Does queer tard know something others don't? Inside info. Norm sat on his face?:eek:
     
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  6. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    Ya think?o_O
     
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  7. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    ...And why would that be any business of yours whatsoever.
     
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  8. Tater

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    Let go with "a queer tards tantrum" for $500 Alex. I mean Axel.
     
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  9. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    Funny. In my brief personal conversation with Norm, he claims he has never met you. Your emails to me claims you were asshole buddies for years. How many puppets do you have?

    This is a job for detective Bosox.

    Per your last sentence. You mean the way Flash and 21Forme do?
     
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  10. Parpaluck

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    This GamblingForums glossary is necessary
    Marc is definitely Norman Wattenberger
    jbs is definitely Don Schlesinger
    KewlJ is definitely KJ; potentially Three
    Tater
    is definitely Moses (BJTF, ZenZone, not Bible); potentially KJ? NOT!So!Sure!

    Sources at GamblingForums: On Norman Wattenberger, Card-Counting Affliction, KewlJ Suicidal Psychosis

    This thread: current-feud-with-qfit-norman-wattenberger
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/playing-multiple-hands-question-for-don.13584/
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/thre...of-websites-have-copyright-protections.14968/
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/paranoia-runs-deep-in-‘the-asylum’-bjtf.14240/
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/the-asylum-blackjacktheforum-bjtf.13432/
     
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  11. Tater

    Tater Well-Known Member

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    Neon Ion. Norm claims he never met Marc. But Marc says they are lifelong friends. That's part of the problem puppetry. It ruins credibility to the product.

    Tater is Moses here. The name Moses wasn't available when I signed on. If it is available now? By all means, please change it.
     
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  12. Tater

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    Norm runs a nice tame harmless site nowadays. Maybe he saw the light?

    IMO your Norm bashing for personal gain isn't going to fly. At least not at this time.
     
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    ...and no Moses is not T3. Certainly not KJ.
     
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    Prove that I'm Don S. you stupid asshat!
     
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  15. KewlJ

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    Just curious jbs, are you offended by the false accusation that you are Don S? I can think of a lot worse people in the community to be compared to or mistaken for. o_O But don't get excited jbs, this clown Ion got absolutely nothing right.

    I haven't been suspended from 12 forums, the number is 2. Care to name the 12 forums Ion?

    jbs is not Don Schlesinger. Don uses his name and his name only on forum. He also has never shown an interest in hole-carding that I am aware of. Don is a blackjack card counting academic.

    Marc is not Wattenberger. Marc actually told you who he is. He used his real first name, told you he is a doctor and where he lives. Anyone who has been in this community for a while should have picked up that "flash" point. :rolleyes:

    Kewlj is Three. That is a funny one. My entire problem in the blackjack community began when I called out Three as a fraud who was misleading players. :rolleyes:

    And his comments about blackjack card counting being worthless. One question: why do casinos in Las Vegas back off and bar card counters then. And why in other locations where they can't back off, do they employ other countermeasures? If card counting was worthless they would be treating any card counter like gold.

    The fact is this guy is just another failed card counter. They fail because who knows why? Underfunded bankroll? lack of discipline? Afraid to play a big enough spread? They begin chasing losses like a degenerate gambler? or they freak out and quit when they encounter a very normal swing (variance). Who knows why. But they all then turn that failure into some kind of card counting doesn't work message. :cool:

    I guess this Ion idiot did get the Moses is Tater correct. But hell Moses finally admitted that. So getting that one right makes Ion correct just about the same as a broken clock. :D
     
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    There is a line in the movie JFK. "Create Confusion to Confound the understanding."

    That is Flash in a "nut" shell. Now I don't blame T3 as much as others do. It could be his heart was in the right place and his intent was to help. But that is just my opinion. I could be wrong. But Marc speaks to his years of experience in the medical field. More than likely, he was a quack.

    Personally, I'd consider Don S to be Jim Garrison in JFK. The voice of reason and logic in a circus.

    Tater is a friend of mine. Flash had an agenda and a proven history of being rude. Especially, to newcomers. Tater set him up perfectly. He bought it hook, line, and sinker. But Norm deleted the entire thread. The handle derived from an old Ron White joke. He got hurled out of a bar/just like I got hurled from a forum. Are you Ron "Tater" White?
     
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    So KJ. This milliin dollar question is who is lying. Marc who writes about their lifelong friendship? Or Norm who claims he never met the guy and doesn't know him?

    I can see where Ion and others would think they are one in the same. No?
     
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  18. KewlJ

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    I personally don't see much similarity between this "Marc" and Norm. If you do that is fine. I suspect others probably do as well.

    As for have they met and who is lying about if they have met, I honestly don't care. I really don't. What do I care if they have met, or if one considers them friends, while the other doesn't. :rolleyes: If I had to guess: I would guess they have at least met, being that they are both New York, east coast guys, both in their 70's who have been around the community for decades. That seems logical to me. Plus, I have experienced so many incidents where Norm has flat out lied, with no other consideration if Norm or someone else is lying.....it is likely Norm. He is a compulsive liar.


    Now I want to go back to comments about T3. I don't think his heart was in the right place. I don't think that because he announced ahead of time that he would be known as one of the blackjack greats. This after he was known as a red chip recreational player for decades. So after this declaration, he comes up with this super-duper count and all kind of claims about it (500% increase) that were mathematically impossible. All his long posts and phone math was a deflection, I agree with that, or as I call it "muddying the waters".

    But heres the problem: If T3 believed his claims at the time and it turned out later that his initial sample size which showed such a huge unrealistic results, was too small to have any meaning, which is something he admitted recently, he had an obligation to reveal that, once everything blew up. And he did not. He sat there and said nothing and let people get suspended and years long feuds and bad feeling occur. Similarly, if his super duper system was really about Spanish 21, which he later (falsely) claimed, he likewise would have had an obligation to reveal that at the time everything blew up. He did not. I give him credit for admitting some of these things in the last year, as well as his apology to me, but it simply was about 4 years too late. So he doesn't get that benefit of dount that his heart was in the right place from me.
     
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  19. KewlJ

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    Now as for Flash, boy oh boy, he is lucky that I was banned from BJTF, when he started all his antics, insisting no professional players play hi-lo or that no one can make money playing hi-lo. Flash had an agenda. It was to mentor new players to play hi-opt2, which he promoted. Because this flash situation occurred on the heals of the T3 situation, I don't think there was an appetite to call him out, as he should have been called out. Occasionally Norm would speak up and say his statements were untrue. Very occasionally. For every time Norm did, Flash would repeat these stupid statements 10 times.

    I don't know if Flash posting as Marc is still here as his posts are over a year old now. But Flash....marc if you are reading, is/was a lifelong degenerate gambler, Horse racing, craps, roulette and blackjack before he began playing blackjack with an advantage. Marc....tell us that is not true? And it is pretty hard to turn on a dime from degenerate gambler to advantage player.

    His claim of 20+ year professional player is pure bunk. He never lived off his gambling income did ya Marc? He has retirement income and a working wife. At best he was supplementing his income or retirement and while there is nothing wrong with that, it is not as good a selling point to the newbies you want to mentor is it Marc?

    And I am not even going to get into the robbery, where "Marc" combined bankrolls with one or more of these newbies and then mysteriously was robbed of a large amount of money. Do you want to get into that Marc?

    So yeah, you are damn lucky I didn't have the platform to expose you at the time.
     
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  20. KewlJ

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    Oh one more thing to Marc if you are reading: reneging on you casinos Markers and re-negotiating for a fraction of the amount owed is NOT an advantage play as you so proudly claim. It is breaking a promise of a financial obligation and something that degenerate gamblers do, NOT AP's.
     
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