Roulette Scams The SCAMMER Steven Hourmouzis.....do NOT purchase a thing from him!

Further Reading about Steven Hourmouzis. .

His Phone products are the most simplistic pieces of Junk I have ever come across, cheap Java programs (totally useless) made to look like they predict roulette when they cannot even deal with accurate timings (Java is known for this). One customer in France Paid $8,000 dollars and received a secondhand phone worth $40, some poorly made leads and after having both his products lost money over an 8 month period. He will definitely finish up going back to prison where he was imprisoned for Fraud and Scamming people previously.

Read more about roulettecomputers.com and genuinewinner.com products and how one customer hit back.

Avoid the VLSroulette.com. This site is a breeding ground for deception! He pretends to be his own customers and gives himself positive reviews. But if you check his videos, all his videos have Consistant ROTOR SPEEDS meaning you would never find conditions like this in the casino, The pit bosses are told to mixthe spins up, fast and slow rotors etc. This is owned By a WELL KNOWN FORMER IMPRISONED FRAUDSTER and Internet Conman unfortunately (Steven Hourmouzis) . He has done prison for lying, faking sites and reviews of not only me but everyone else in this business. his computer phone is based on free software we give away for free on this very site, so before you are tempted by his lies and fantasies of a $15,000 phone that only obtains a 26% edge, take a moment to think ..Read about his victims at http://stevenhourmouzis.com

He writes convincingly, but so he should, he’s a very dangerous conman and the Police in Australia are well aware of his antics and illegal business competition methods.

Remember, we see people in person and allow you to pay only a small percentage deposit, this guy does not, ask yourself why?





What we do is wear our products on our sleeves, we sell through Ebay, so you can see our 100% Positive feedback from our users. no other Seller does this and no other sellers show a computer that can beat level wheels! Bear this mind when purchasing from a supplier!

One competitors product ( Steven Hourmouzis ) that costs you $15,000 for is mobile phone runs the basic mathematics we give away for free on this very site! So never pay thousands for a roulette computer!

Forums-Also avoid elaborate Forums set up by systems sellers to write fake positive reviews of their own products pretending to be customers and knocking other competition. Remember Forums are a breeding ground for deception!

 

Should be very careful what you wish for Ken. Some seriously bad karma heading your way if it hasn't already got to you.

 

32 customers cant get a refund? Pathetic from jailbird bitch Steve Hourmouzis and his sidekick, Turncoat Turner.

 

"And Ken, the 32 people wanting refunds from me is a load of bullshit. Like I said, you are posting a bunch of blatant lies. And even when there is a shred of truth, it is blatantly distorted" >> Quite EASY to lie to your customers from behind a keyboard Scammer Steve. We expected a bit more from you, quite shameful.....and RG can continue posting funny pics but in the END....still nothing playable (lol). Hey RG, perhaps BINGO is more your speed?

Ken

 

STEVEN HOURMOUZIS is simply a crook, a thief and a liar and will refuse you any 100% Payment protection Plan on your payment for his rubbish, so you would NEVER be able to obtain a refund if you wanted one. He has recently been reported to the FBI and a court action through the Federal Courts was the only way one recent Victim was able to get All his money back for Hourmouzis’s Worthless Systems. This is very recent and anyone wanting to Join in a Class Law suite against Hourmouzis is invited to do so. The Courts found all his business addresses to be Bogus and he claimed himself he was Destitute. Further investigation found around $50,000 Australian Dollars in a bank account which is the proceeds from his scam on-line. Here is the Document with the official Reference number for you to check yourself.





Ask if he will place his products on eBay with a 100% refundable Money Back Guarantee for you to purchase?, take screen shots if he does( he has declined other buyers every time they have asked), and ask if its OK to pay using Paypal. HE will POINT BLANK REFUSE YOU! Because he knows once you have laid out several thousand dollars you will find that the guy is actually a scam artist and his products simply do not work like he claims.

 

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THE TRUTH ABOUT NONSENSE ON THIS THREAD
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“Competitors” and people who’ve been banned from my roulette forums publish blatant false claims about me (Steven Hourmouzis), the Roulette System and my Roulette Computers. The manipulation is extremely broad and elaborate, so I won’t waste time exposing every false claim. I don't need to anyway if you consider the below:

SIMPLE WAYS TO FIND THE TRUTH:

1. Get a FREE trial roulette computer to test at home: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

2. See a demonstration of my roulette computer on any wheel you want: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

3. Get my best roulette computer for FREE, and pay with winnings: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

4. Test my roulette system for 5-days for just $1: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

5. Review the public and independent test results: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

6. See recordings of public demonstrations I conducted: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]
See a +120% edge on Mk7 John Huxley wheel (current model): [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own commercial videos which violated our rules.]

Proof doesn't get any clearer than this. If things like testing it yourself aren't enough for you, or paying only from winnings, nothing will be. Alternatively, you can waste time researching the manipulative nonsense about me, but you'll waste days and still not know what to believe, because anyone can make any false claim. The site [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] addresses the main false allegations.

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I apologize for this forum being spammed by someone to discredit me, without honesty or integrity. This kind of behavior should not be permitted by admin. But as it is, I've posted my response. I am not interested in arguing with anyone about it, nor do I have time. Anyone can just do their own research. I am also not here to discuss anything or answer questions. If you have questions about my roulette prediction technology, contact me via my websites. But don't waste my time asking about the negative nonsense on this thread. If you want to know more about nonsense, it's all explained at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

This free advertisement is brought to you by:
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Mr J (Ken)

“Mr J” (“Ken”) is an ex-member of my roulette forum. He was banned for poor behavior towards other members. As revenge for banning him, he seeks to harm me by “re-posting” nonsense about me from Mark Howe’s websites. He does not care that the material is nonsense. Ken is one of a few banned member who attack me for “revenge”.

Why Ken Was Banned
Basically, Ken creates conflict and is unwelcome at every forum – not just my forums. For example, he attacked others calling them “rookies”, while privately telling me he continued to lose at roulette. He quite clearly has a gambling problem. That’s his business, but as a forum admin, I could see both sides where he taunted others for losing, but was losing himself. Essentially he was lying and “trolling” while claiming other people were the problem.

At one stage, Ken was a forum moderator and almost a friend. But he had personal problems leading to obsessive and unstable behavior which became worse after some personal problems he was having. My attempts to help him failed, and his behavior towards other members became worse.

Eventually I discovered he was secretly moderating large sections of the forum to help him win arguments with other members. So I removed him as a moderator, and allowed him to hide the real reason he was removed.

Later he returned to the forum, but he never contributed anything. He simply aggravated other members, then complained when they responded. The conflict reached a point where I openly asked other members if they think anyone should be banned. And before I even mentioned what other members said, Ken began attacking me and calling me various names – presumably because he was expecting to be banned. So as a matter of respect, I asked him to not post at my forum again. He ignored my request, and was banned.

Now for “revenge”, he cuts and pastes sections from Mark Howe’s websites in attempt to discredit me. His motives are purely malicious, and he does not care that the material he posts is full of blatant lies.

It’s not just me he attacks. His frustration and hatred is extremely intense. One example is he said he hated one member so much that he “so badly wished they died in a car crash”. There are many other examples, but the information here is sufficient to understand his motives. Unfortunately Ken has a lot of personal problems, and he takes his problems out on other people.

 

Frequently Asked Questions about False Allegations

Anyone can make any claim about anyone, and some people would assume there might be some truth to it – no matter how ridiculous the claim is. In my case, much of the false claims are complete fabrications. This section addresses some of them.


Q. Is it true you are on government unemployment benefits (Centerlink)?

No. This is a blatant lie without any truth. I have never been on unemployment benefits.


Q. Is it true the FBI are chasing you?

No, it’s another blatant lie.


Q. Is it true you are broke and living with your parents next to a homeless hostel?

No, I’m a middle-aged man that hasn’t lived with parents for 30 years.


Q. Is it true you were “sued” for theft?

No. Simply a purchaser of my roulette system didn’t read the download instructions I emailed, and sent me abusive emails. I asked him to stop using foul language, or hire a civil mediator which would resolve issues with me – without the immature behavior. He chose to hire the mediator, to which I explained he never even accessed my system, and I agreed to a refund. The matter was simple and it is explained in detail at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] but the truth has been deliberately twisted.


Q. Is it true that 32 people are waiting for refunds from you?

No. “32” is an arbitrary number that Mark Howe made up. There’s no truth to it.


Q. Why do you sell your systems and computers if they worked?

It is explained in detail on my sites. I sell my less effective systems, and keep the best technology to myself. My private teams use my best technology and pay me only after they beat wheels. Details are at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]


Q. Is it true you went to jail for fraud?

I basically went to jail for claiming a stock will increase price by about 900%. The government investigators believed my claims were deliberately false to make people buy the stock. But after my sentence, my prediction was proven correct and the stock price increased by 1500% – nearly twice my prediction. I did not defraud anyone. I did not lie. And anyone who took my advice to buy the stock would have profited. But my attackers want you to believe I went to jail for cheating people. Not even the media got the story right because they just recited government prosecutors. But the full story is at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]


Q. How am I supposed to trust you with money with so much rubbish written about you?

It’s not hard to figure out. When someone wants to discredit you, they’ll say anything with extreme bias. Anyone can test my computers for free, or see a private demonstration. I also give a 5-day free trial of my roulette system. There’s lots of proof of my claims, and ways for you to see I’m honest. If you prefer to believe rubbish instead of finding out for yourself, without any risk, then I’d rather not deal with you anyway.


Q. Is it true you hire actors and use magnets in your public demonstrations?

No, my public demos are open for anyone to attend. And anyone can inspect the wheel for tampering, or even spin it themselves.


Q. Is it true a private investigator revealed you had no money?

No. Mark Howe referred Vince Brandt to a so-called private investigator on Craigslist.com. The investigator was in fact Mark Howe himself, who told Vince blatant lies about my personal wealth. On Mark’s website, he publishes this letter and claims it’s from a private investigator. But he neglects to tell you he wrote the letter himself, and it’s complete nonsense.


Q. Is it true your wife said you were broke and forced to use money won in a competition to fix your house?

No. After making it clear she was financially comfortable and could afford to “work whenever she felt like it”, she mentioned I won a $10,000 prize, and that is was used to develop a property we were about to rent to tenants. Mark’s interpretation is quite different.


Q. Is it true you have only cheap cars?

The claim was made by Mark Howe, but he doesn’t mention what cars I drive because he has no idea. I could tell you I drive a Lamborghini. But the fact is I have two middle-range cars. While I can easily afford expensive vehicles, it’s not the type of person I am. I have no interest in sports or luxury vehicles.


Q. Is it true a court revealed you only had $50,000 in assets, and it was all from scamming people?

No, it’s another ridiculous claim from Mark Howe. It also contradicts his earlier claims of me being broke, and he often contradicts himself. This claim came from a video I created where I used a money-counting machine to count $50,000 in cash. The video is still on my website. I created the video, regrettably, to make fun of a video where Mark Howe counted a fraction of this amount. Since making the video, I’ve grown up. At first, Mark claimed the money/notes were photocopied. But he later changed his claim to the cash coming from me cheating people. Is $50,000 all I have? No. I could have counted far more, but withdrawing large cash amounts from banks causes a lot of hassle and suspicion. And anyone with significant wealth knows having this much liquid funds (not properly invested) is a waste of money – (unless you’re in a position where it doesn’t matter).


Q. Is it true that the person (Ronjo) who did independent testing of your roulette computer was actually you using a fake name?

No. I didn’t choose the tester. The members of the roulette community chose him because he was well known and trusted to be independent.


Q. What about the testimonials from your customers published on Mark Howe’s site?

Firstly, I have over 1,000 players and a few are bound to not understand what they’ve purchased. No product ever has a 100% satisfaction rate. Approximately 95% of my players are happy with the system and agree it works as I claim. But you almost never hear from successful because they respect and adhere to the non-disclosure agreements. The players you do hear from are the unhappy ones who haven’t succeeded.

Some of the negative testimonials on Mark Howe’s website are genuine, some are complete fabrications and the people don’t even exist, and some have had their statements blatantly modified. Of the players and statements that are legitimate, you’ll find their claims don’t have a foundation. For example, a claim that the system “doesn’t work” or “is a scam” is an empty claim without justification. Even Mark Howe acknowledges less effective techniques I teach for free, like visual ballistic work (unless you tell him it’s a technique I teach). His extreme negative bias is not difficult to see.

My roulette system applies the same principles as traditional and proven techniques, that even Mark Howe acknowledges are effective. But my system takes the approaches further with a better analysis and modelling method, to find and exploit predictable spins. So why would he attack a method he knows works? The answer should be obvious.

Nevertheless, some players don’t succeed, with the main reasons being:

* Laziness: as I say on my sites, my approaches require time and patience. Many people expect to win without time and effort.

* Poor communication and English skills: Almost every person who has “complained” has poor comprehension of English. And such players often struggle with simple concepts. The instructions I provide are translated, but the translations are not perfect. I still provide all required support, but often simple concepts are not understood.

And when a player doesn’t succeed, naturally they find it easier to blame me and the system, instead of themselves for incorrect application of the system. Then they may search for my name and “scam” and find Mark Howe’s website, then send Mark their complaint. And again, you’ll find the complaints are empty and unsubstantiated claims. Any specific claims are very easily proven false – if you care to investigate. For example, Tony Duhamel’s (Bago) false claims that my computers produce random predictions. You only need to see my public demo videos with a +120% edge to see the claim is ridiculous (unless you believe the nonsense claiming I use magnets and paid actors). Or to consider the public testing by Ronjo. Any false claim is easily proven false, if you care to properly research.

 

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FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT THE "VCAT" CASE INVOLVING
STEVEN HOURMOUZIS & VINCE BRANDT
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This is regarding a legal case referred to by Mark Howe on his various websites. Mark Howe makes blatantly false claims about the case to discredit me (Steven Hourmouzis). Vince Brandt is a roulette system purchaser. Contrary to Mark’s false claims, Vince’s legal claim had NOTHING to do with the effectiveness of my system. Vince simply didn’t understand instructions to access my system’s software, so absurdly claimed it didn’t exist.

For almost a month after being given access to my software, he didn’t contact me so I assumed he had no problems. Then he began sending me abusive emails claiming he didn’t understand the instructions. So I asked him to stop sending abusive emails and call me to resolve the issue, OR to hire a mediator. He continued to send abusive emails and refused to call me, so I insisted he hired a mediator which he eventually did.

Vince’s claims to the mediator were broad and absurd, including reimbursement for services he did not provide receipts for, and enormous fees for his “self-representation”. His only relevant claim was that he paid me for software that “does not exist”. His only proof of anything was a receipt for payment made to me.

I provided the mediation member with:

* Login access and instructions for my software

* Statements and contact details of players that use the software (with their permission)

* Copies of all emails between Vince and myself

The mediation member clearly saw Vince’s claims were nonsense. Fortunately for Vince I was honest and explained to the mediator that Vince hadn’t actually used the software yet, and I could cancel his access anytime. So I agreed to give him a refund and considered the matter resolved. The result was formally released as a judgement, and this is what Mark Howe publishes on his website as if it were proof my technology is ineffective.

Vince didn’t accept almost all of his claims being rejected, so he initiated other precedings that failed. Shown below is the result of the latest case. I did not attend this hearing because his claims were so outrageous that I was sure his case would be rejected, which it was.

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So all that happened was:

1. Vince didn’t understand the software download instructions, and sent me abusive emails.

2. I asked Vince to call me personally so I can offer support, but to not send me abusive emails OR I will only communicate with him via a mediator (VCAT)

3. Vince ignored my request. He did not call me for help, and continued to send abusive emails.

4. I asked Vince to hire the VCAT mediator, which he did.

5. In mediation, Vince was forced to speak without abuse. I explained to the mediator that Vince had not accessed the software yet, and I agreed to provide a refund.

6. The result of the case was released via a letter, and Mark published the letter and lied about what actually happened.

7. All other claims by Vince were rejected, so he attempted another case. I did not even bother to attend the hearing because I knew he had no grounds for his claims, and that his case would fail, as it did.

Vince now appears obsessed with trying to harm me. He has made threats against myself and my extended family members, and even my two of my accountants that have nothing to do with this.



Mark's False Claims About This Matter

Mark Howe published his own version of these matters. Below are a few points:


Mark’s false claim: The FBI were involved, and it was a federal case in a court of law.

The truth: It was nothing even remotely “federal”. It was a civil mediator I asked Vince to hire because I wouldn’t tolerate his unjustified abuse, and knew he’d behave himself with a mediator. Read the correspondence between Vince and I below on this page.

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Mark’s false claim: The courts found my business address to be falsified

The truth: Complete nonsense. My company address is publicly available in the ASIC database, and this is how I was notified about the hearing.

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Mark’s false claim: A private investigator found that I was homeless and destitute with no money, and that in the hearing I was forced to admit this. I apparently told Vince I wouldn’t refund Vince even if I could afford it. And that the police seized some of my money from roulette scams.

The truth: There is not a shred of truth to this claim.

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Mark’s false claim: My wife was included in the claim and was liable to pay half.

The truth: The document Mark published clearly states the “second respondent”, which is my corporation. The tribunal member specifically stated Vince had no valid claims against my wife or myself. My wife didn’t attend the hearing.

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Mark’s false claim: He is leading a case of 50 people I apparently scammed

The truth: Mark has claimed this for many years but out of over 1,000 players I have had over the years, less than 10 have ever had a problem with my technology (through their own misunderstandings). Nevertheless, if such a “class action” occurred, many of my successful players would appreciate the opportunity to provide testimonies for both my non-electronic system and roulette computers, and I would gladly demonstrate my technology to any authority.




Correspondence Between Vince Brandt and Myself

The majority of emails from Vince contain vile threats of violence against my family and I, and foul language. It is not necessary to provide them all. Below are the most relevant emails between us so you can better understand why I insisted he hired a mediator. Pay particular attention to the dates as Vince sent numerous emails on the same days.


——————— 12th March 2013:

From: Vince
To: Me

I sent in the payment but havent heard anything yet. Can you let me know how I get access to the software.

NOTE: At this point, Vince sent payment but it had not yet arrived.

——————— 13th March 2013:

From: Vince
To: Me

When do I get access. ertc.,etc, etc., etc, or diod I just get scammed again..Shit I hope this kisn;t just another scamjon fuck what the fuck!!!! I can;lt contacnt ahyone..icant; get througfh ont he phone numner pprovided…Just a bunch of geek computer bullshity fuck skype yeah right jesyu chrtist i hjyust got fucked sedn emails thast noone answqers hjoly shit what a bunch of shit fuckled agaqin

From: Vince
To: Me

Hello is anybody out their or is this just another scam?

——————— 14th March 2013:

From: Me
To: Vince

go easy, no your havent been scammed. im just behind on work. everything will be sorted today

——————— 14th March 2013:

From: Me
To: Vince

READ THE FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY!

STEP 1. DOWNLOAD THE PRIMORDIAL VARIANTS (THE BASICS) DOCUMENT AT:
[Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] (file hidden)
(If you use MAC, you can use a PC emulator to open the document. Or just buy a cheap PC and use windows 7). The EXE is the document file with viewer. Your downloading and registering of the document is subject to the agreements at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] – read them thoroughly so you understand your obligations. If you do not agree, do not register the document.

The document will not load if some types of software are running on your computer, and it may automatically close some software, such as image capturing software. An error may appear saying certain software is conflicting. You need to identify this software and make sure it isnt running, or the ebook wont load. Sometimes although rarely, firewalls can interfere with the document viewer. You should have the bare minimum software running on your PC.

STEP 2. When you open the EXE file, you will need to register a username and password (or login if you already registered). Your username MUST be your email address that you purchased with, or at least the one I have on file for you.

STEP 3. Login to the document with your newly created username and password. You will then be shown a “user number”. This identifies your PC. Submit this code at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] then I’ll unlock the document, and email you when done.

STEP 4. Login to your software account at:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (address removed)
Click the “Signup” link at the top left. Select the “Players only” account, enter your email, then click “continue”. If you already had a free account, let me know and I’ll manually change the account type. Often I’ll create your account for you, and if this is the case, you will just be emailed the username and password.

NOTES:

* Your email address is already verified but if it isn’t, please email. REMEMBER YOUR LOGIN DETAILS AND KEEP THEM SAFE.

* Your login details are CASE SENSITIVE

IMPORTANT:

* If you get an error saying you need to install the NET framework or something similar, then visit http://www.microsoft.com/net/download to download and install this part.

* If you open the ebook and get an error saying “Navigation is cancelled”, this has nothing to do with the ebook. The cause and solutions are explained at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/967941 andhttp://blogs.msdn.com/b/crminthefield/archive/2011/02/21/quot-navigation-to-the-webpage-was-canceled-quot-error-is-displayed-when-trying-to-open-and-view-the-microsoft-dynamics-crm-2011-implementation-guide-ig-chm-file.aspx

Check all the solutions on these pages carefully as they fix the issue for everyone.

* You can only register the document on one computer

* You must be online to register and unlock the document.

* For security reasons the document cannot be printed or opened from another computer. If you want to print the charts, download [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] (file hidden) although they are only for primordial 1, which is for the least effective of all the methods. Most players start with primordial 3.

PLEASE HONOR THE AGREEMENT YOU SUBMITTED AND REMEMBER A BREACH OF THE AGREEMENT MEANS YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY ONGOING SUPPORT INCLUDING SOFTWARE ACCESS. A BREACH OF THE AGREEMENT INCLUDES DISCUSSING THE SYSTEM WITH ANYONE ELSE – WE WANT TO PREVENT INFORMATION LEAKS TO CASINOS SO THERE IS ZERO TOLERANCE FOR UNAUTHORIZED DISCUSSION. DO NOT IGNORE THIS WARNING. MAKE SURE YOU READ [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] SO YOU UNDERSTAND YOUR OBLIGATIONS.

The system IS for real – you are now one of my players and I want to get to know you and ensure your success. You have my personal attention and support so take full advantage of it. If you need any help, please let my know but please read the system thoroughly before asking questions.

Please follow the rules precisely and bet small to start while you’re learning as we would like to see you profit. If you are unable to profit from my system at your casino, it is best that you change casinos. However a large part of what you’ve paid for is my support, so if you can’t make it work at your selected casino, contact me for assistance.

Thankyou again for you becoming a player.

Management
Roulette Wheel Analysis Group
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ACN 090 739 754
Ph. +61 3 9018 5395 (Australia, +10 GMT, 9am-5pm)


NOTE: To access the software, all Vince needed to do was enter his email address at a web form for his login details. It appears he didn’t bother to read the instructions because the process is not complicated.

——————— 22nd March 2013:

From: Me
To: Vince

if you still havent received it, please submit the payment registration form

——————— 23rd March 2013:

From: Vince
To: Me

REQUEST UNLOCK Primordial Document (system)
Name: Vince Brandt
FromEmail: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Key: UNLOCKKEY

NOTE: This is Vince’s form submission where he requests unlocking of the software’s instructions. Within 24hrs I unlocked it.

——————— 4th April 2013:

From: Vince
To: Me

Look dude I’m done with the clicking around, forms, wild goose chases, directions that don’t make sense, passwords that don’t work, etc. Your website is a fucking mess. Get me reasonable access to the spin software or send my money back. This process has been an absolute nightmare (which maybe you intended it to be this way so people would kind of give up?) Either way I don’t care. You said I would get software and I don’t have software, just a fucking headache dealing with your fucked up website. I would strongly recommend having an independent end to end review done of your website. (Have you ever been in someone’s house that really stinks but they don’t think it stinks because they’re so used to it). Need to hear from you asap.

NOTE: Vince did not understand the instructions and abused me for his misunderstandings.

——————— 4th April 2013:

From: Vince
To: Me

I sent my money on 3.7.13 and to date I still don’t have dick other than wasting a huge amount of time on fucked up websites, ebooks and nonsense. I had to wait over a week to get access to a fucked up ebook which is nothing more than a pointer to another website. Then you have to sign up on some fucked up forum and still don’t have access to the software. Then you click to links which tell you to submit a code but you don’t have the fucking code because you don’t have access to the fucking software.holy fucking shit.who designed this process some kind of fucked up retard? Fuck. I’ve never seen a more fucked up process in my whole life.what an absolute emotherfucling mess. OK I need my money back or immediate access to the software or I get out my toolbag and start to unload a fucking shitstorm.no more software bullshit.the software otr the money you fucking douchebag motherfucker

——————— 4th April 2013:

From: Vince
To: Me

Almost two mother fucking months and I still don’t have fucking dick.Mother fucker. I knew this was a bunch of mother fucking geek IT bullshit Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clicking around like a fucking retard wasting fucking incredible amounts of my fucking time .Mother fucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You fucking dick in the mouth..Fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a fucked up bunch of fuckingbullshit.Fuck!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

——————— 4th April 2013:

From: Vince
To: Me

I want immediately to either have access immediately without any more nonsense or your bullshit website or my money back immediately. If I get any more bullshit from you you fucking little fuck I’m reaching out to my Autralian friends to come see you you fucking rubberbeck motherfucker

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Me
To: Vince

Vince, after the unjustified abuse you’ve hurled at me, I would normally say I’m not dealing with you further and I’ll only communicate with you via a mediator. It is within my legal and moral rights to do this because nobody should take such abuse and threats. However, I’m asking that you call me and speak to me like a grown-up man. For my contact details, see [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] – this page also has details on the best times to call, my local time, when I’m available etc. Also see my blog for my schedule.

NOTE: When you are in contact with literally thousands of people, it is expected that sooner or later you’ll meet someone who is needlessly abusive. Nevertheless, I wanted to speak with Vince personally so he could hear my voice and understand I’m sincerely trying to help him, and there is no need for his behaviour.

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Vince
To: Me

You think you’re gonna rip me off motherfucker with your fucking geek ass motherfucking IT fucked up website mother fucker you got another motherfucking thing coming motherfucker.I will fuck you up you fucking shit

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Vince
To: Me

OK my Australian contacts are telling me they’ll have a line on your physical location in a few days. Go ahead and try and fuck with me and see what happens you little fucking jerkoff.

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Me
To: Vince

Ok, officially now I’m asking you not to contact me again unless through a mediator. Any further direct contact from you will be considered harassment and may be reported to the police.

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Vince
To: Me

You fucking little faggot. I better have my fucking money back immediately or I’m going to send you a fucking mediator you fucking faggot and he’ll mediate your fucking head you fucking jerkoff you better start looking over your shoulder motherfucker you think your gonna rip me off you have another mother fucking thing coming mother fucker..i will make it my lifes work to fuck you up..i will fuck you up

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Vince
To: Me

Call the police you fucking faggot and give them my phone number so I can tell them how you’re ripping people off you fucking scumbag

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Vince
To: Me

I got somebody coming out to Wellington St. to say hello motherfucker.better start watching your back motherfucker.we’ll have your house address shortly.If I were you I’d just simply send money back you stole from me or we’ll take it out of your fucking ass either way is fine with me fucking jerkoff..we’ll see you soon

NOTE: He is referring to the address of one of my accountants. He threatened this particular one on at least 2 occasions.

—————————– 5th April 2013 (all of below):

From: Vince
To: Me

Like my old boss used to say when someone wants to fuck us we’re going to reach out and fuck them. Good luck motherfucker.

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There was no further communication, and I waited to hear from the mediator (VCAT). Vince’s abuse continued for months and he is still attempting to take me to court with absurd claims that keep getting rejected. Although I did report his behavior to the Police, for now I requested they don’t proceed unless his behavior continues.

 

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MARK HOWE'S FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT STEVEN HOURMOUZIS
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Mark Howe is a profoundly manipulative ‘competitor’ who’s responsible for 95% of the false claims about me. Generally he uses a combination of elaborate fabricated information (documents and emails) mixed with a blatant distortion of facts. He posts under many fake names on different websites and forums, usually pretending to be my players.

His manipulation is actually quite clumsy, but he doesn’t expect you’ll do even basic research that easily reveals his manipulation. Some of his lies are quite wild. For example, claims like I’m broke and living with my parents next to a homeless hostel, on welfare, all while the FBI is chasing me. Even to explain the positive results in my public demonstrations, he claims I used magnets and paid actors to behave amazed. Such claims have no truth to them whatsoever, and you’d need to be gullible to believe him.

His claims have changed over the years, and he has had ample time to selectively modify his material, all to make you buy his products instead of mine. Nevertheless, I’m not interested in attacking or harming Mark, but considering everything he has said and done over the years, I believe he is literally mentally ill. You’ll need to do proper research to understand why I and many others believe this. I don’t have time to address all of his nonsense, so this page addresses only the most relevant claims.

To better understand the type of person Mark is, also see [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

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False Claim 1: Mark Claims I was “sued” by a player for “theft”
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Mark publishes official documents regarding a civil mediator case with Vince Brandt (details at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] ), but he blatantly lies about what the documents represent. He wants you to believe I was sued for “theft”, that the FBI was involved, and even that investigators determined I was financially broke. The truth is much simpler.

Basically the player (Vince Brandt) did not understand my software’s download instructions, so he sent me vile threats and abuse. I asked him to stop his unjustified abuse and call me personally so I could help him, OR hire an impartial mediator so I could discuss the matter without his vile threats. Vince chose to hire a mediator, which is VCAT (a civil mediator service).

The mediator clearly saw I did nothing wrong. In the end, I explained to the mediator that Vince had not used my software. So it was agreed I would provide Vince with a refund. The result was put “on paper”, and this is what Mark has published as if it were some enormous revelation or proof that I’m running a scam. In fact if I were dishonest, I wouldn’t have explained to the mediator that Vince never even used my software.

Vince made various claims that were rejected by the mediator, so he attempted to start another hearing which I didn’t even bother to attend, because his claims had no foundation. And rightfully the mediator also found they had no foundation. See the result in the below image. That’s all there is to it. But of course Mark’s “version” is rather “twisted”.

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The “Official-looking Documents” on Mark Howe's website

Mark publishes a few other documents that look official. Copies are below with my comments:

a. Email from Mark Howe (using fake name) to Vince Brandt: Mark referred Vince to a “private investigator” on Craigslist. In fact the “private investigator” was Mark himself, and this is what he sent to Vince:

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MY COMMENTS: These are the same rubbish claims Mark has made for years. There’s absolutely no truth at all to them. Mark initially claimed on his website that he hired a private investigator who found I was broke and living with my parents next to a homeless hostel. If you don’t believe he made these claims, I will gladly send you copies of his original websites. And if you really believe this utter nonsense, then God help you. Mark’s claims over the years have been absurd and wild. I have no doubt he has very real mental health issues. I’m not saying this to criticize him. I mean literally, he appears to have serious personal issues.


b. Vince’s Email To VCAT

Below is Vince’s email to VCAT (the area in the red box).

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MY COMMENTS: Vince acted as if it was matter of national security. Do you really believe he spent the entire day on the phone with the US Embassy speaking with a Congressman? Do you really believe the FBI would be interested in a civil mediation case that has no relevance to criminal law? I’m the one who asked Vince to hire VCAT because he refused to stop swearing and threatening me. And why did he did this? Because he didn’t understand basic instructions. His emails are all here for you to read.

The thing that’s “official-looking” about it is it’s marked “URGENT”. Unfortunately I meet some strange characters, and Vince appeared delusional about many things. It was only by my honesty in the VCAT hearing that he received a refund, because he never actually used my system’s software. But even after the hearing, he started other cases which were rejected without me even attending the hearing. See the document of his rejected hearing.


c. Vince’s email to the Australian Embassy in the USA

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MY COMMENTS: Vince may as well emailed the President too. Remember that Vince’s claim was NOT that my roulette system didn’t work. His claim was that it “didn’t exist”. Why? Because he didn’t properly read the instructions. I even emailed him the LOGIN details and web address. I even showed them in the VCAT hearing and insisted we log in to show Vince had no idea. Vince also refers to the Rentech case (explained at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] ) which he has no idea about. As for his claims about TV shows, I insisted to Vince that he have the TV show producers to contact me so I can publicly demonstrate my roulette systems and computers. It would have been a fantastic opportunity to prove a point. I often do public demonstrations, but unfortunately not yet on live TV.


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False Claim 2: Mark claims I cheat in my video demonstrations by spinning the ball and wheel at consistent speeds.
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Mark has made countless ever-changing claims to explain the accuracy I demonstrate in my videos. For the public demonstration, he claims I paid actors to attend, and used magnets. But most often he criticises is the 1hr demo shown below. Specifically he claims that I intentionally spin the ball and wheel at the same speed. He shows screenshots of the video that suit his claim. But shown below is a chart displaying the number of ball revolutions for each spin in the entire video. You can see there is a substantial variation in the number of times the ball goes around before falling. The variation is a large spread between 7 – 18 revolutions which is much greater than most dealers. Check the entire video below for yourself:

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Chart: The variation of ball revolutions and spin speeds in my 1hr video demo. This clearly established the spin speed variation is even greater than on actual casino wheels.

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False Claim 3: Mark claims that I have a fraud conviction
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This is not a false claim, but more something he uses to his advantage. It has no bearing on my roulette technology, but it calls to question my integrity. This case is explained in detail at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

Basically around 20 years ago, I was a stock promoter and misunderstood a public company’s press release. I published my misunderstanding and was changed with reckless dissemination of incorrect information. It was not some global malicious scam as Mark Howe portrays. The link above provide full details.


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False Claim 4: Various players of mine contacted him to complain about my computer or system
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Some of the players Mark published information about actually exist, and some are completely fabricated. Of the players that do exist, most have since apologized to me for their misunderstandings, yet their initial inaccurate claims remain on Mr Howe’s websites. Every negative claim from real players has been addressed in detail, because there is nothing to hide. In fact when a player wants to complain, I permit them to openly criticise me on my forums. This is so I may respond in detail to demonstrate the player has misunderstandings. The most notable player who published unjustified claims is Bago (Tony Duhamel), and various public validations already refuted his claims. Every business has at least some dissatisfied customers no matter how good their product is. After all, not everyone understands what they’ve purchased. But sellers only publish the positive feedback.

I prefer to be open, so below I’ve also included the negative feedback I’ve received, and what I’ve done to correct issues:


Negative Feedback #1: I teach only bits of the system and keep the secrets too close to my chest

Years ago I provided my system in parts. Specifically players first received the “primordials” document which taught basic methods. If the player could beat their wheels with these methods, that’s all I taught them because that’s all they needed. I only taught players more powerful methods when needed. Often players sent me spins for analysis, and I would use my software to generate the betting charts for them. This way the secrets were never released. The main downside was the players didn’t have immediate access to the most advanced methods, and they had to wait for me to do the analysis and betting charts for them.

How issues were fixed: Now players have access to the software themselves via [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]. It is capable of automatically analyzing spins and generating the betting charts so the player doesn’t ever need to know exactly how the system works. Considering the average analysis takes 30 seconds of computer processing and performs billions of calculations, it is unlikely to ever be reverse engineered. So all players now have access to advanced methods, and secrets are well protected.


Negative feedback #2: The system takes too long to apply

The only players that said this are accustomed to systems like where you wait for 10 reds in a row then bet on black. I do teach you methods that can be applied from start to finish in 1-2 hours, but the most advanced methods require more. The advanced methods require 100-300 spins per direction to analyze a wheel’s patterns. This is usually needed only once for each wheel, and it can be done over multiple days. Then you resume play each day after checking 10-20 spins at the start of each day. This is not at unreasonable. Something unreasonable is working 9-5 for 50 years to pay off a life-long mortgage, then retiring on a pension.

How issues were fixed: My site clearly explains what is required. You can use the quicker methods I also teach you, but the downside is fewer wheels are suitable. The quicker methods are suitable only for about 5-10% of wheels and achieve a small edge. The most powerful methods are suitable for about 30% of modern wheels, achieve a much higher edge, and are much easier to apply.


Negative feedback #3: I can’t find enough suitable wheels

As explained above, many years ago I initially taught players only traditional and basic methods to beat roulette. Players were only taught more advanced methods when “needed”. The basic methods were naturally not as suitable for as many wheels as the advanced methods. But some players assumed that the initial basic methods were all they received. Players that never bothered to get proper support never knew about additional methods I taught. Perhaps I could have explained this better, but it was still always the player’s responsibility to keep me informed on their progress so I knew what they “need”.

How issues were fixed: The basic methods are still taught to the players in the primordials document, but they are generally considered more as an introduction to professional methods. They are suitable for roughly 5-10% of wheels whereas approximately 30% of wheels are suitable for my full system, plus the full system is easier to use and achieves a much higher edge. But still if a player can only visit one casino, and that casino has only 1 wheel, then they may find even the full system unsuitable. The player would still have the option of playing at online casinos where we know well the wheels are suitable, or travelling to find more suitable wheels.


Negative feedback #4: The system “doesn’t work”

Saying the system “doesn’t work” is an empty claim without supporting information. No gambling professional would ever say my methods “don’t work”. The only people that have ever said this are either other gambling system sellers and people who believed them, people with ulterior motives, or inexperienced players that find it easier to blame others than themselves.

The first document I send players (primordials document) contains all the traditional and globally recognized techniques to beat roulette. The casinos call the traditional professional roulette systems “advantage play”. No professional would deny they are effective. If you ask a professional if visual ballistics or bias analysis works, they’ll tell you “yes”. But if you mention they are methods taught by me, the answer will be different.

I consider these methods to be comparatively old and impractical methods. My full system is many steps beyond the traditional advantage play methods, but it is still based around the same solid principles of physics. As other system sellers don’t understand anything but traditional methods (if that at all), they may say my methods look like “voodoo”.

How issues were fixed: No honest person that knew what they were saying would ever say my system “doesn’t work”. Again the only people that say it doesn’t work are either other system sellers and people that believe them, people with ulterior motives, or players that have a very poor understanding of what I teach. Remember a bad tradesman blames his tools. There is no remedy for this although I always strive to help players understand my techniques, and the auto analysis software is as foolproof as it can be.

If you carefully consider what is being said by real players, you’ll see there is nothing of real substance. Many of the “legitimate” players he mentions have since apologized to me as they come to understand they did not apply my system correctly, but Mr Howe refuses to amend his material. Again the most notable player who published unjustified claims is Bago (Tony Duhamel), and various public validations already refuted his claims. See the public testing that refuted Tony Duhamel’s false claims.


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False Claim 5: Fabrication Of Player Statements:
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Mr Howe has completely fabricated many players that don’t exist. But he more recently fabricates statements from actual players. For example, he published the following statement from a player. The player is real, but the statement is completely false: ” I would like you to help me and my family, I have asked Stefano for a refund several times, but he says I do not know how to use system properly. At his site he says he gives guaranteed refund of $100,000 if his system does not work. I just want my $2000 back for my poor family to feed them. Please send this proof to the correct authorities to deal with this criminal and get me monies back please.” Importantly this player has since apologized to me and acknowledged their error. And when I asked him if he actually made this statement, he responded:

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“I never wrote that, there says that I need the money to feed my POOR family, I never said that to that guy. I never said this, I dont understand”


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and Nowun, that video is awesome. Very catchy song.

 

I also enjoyed it. Good job RG.

Ken

 

If you think I am RG all I can say is:

And on that note I will say adios, you are far too stupid to bother with.

 

LOL.....this place has rules?

 

Like all forums, but not all enforced equally and without bias.