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Blackjack Current feud with Qfit (Norman Wattenberger)

Discussion in 'Blackjack Forum' started by KewlJ, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. Tater

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    Am I a card counter? Yes and no. I was blessed with a strong memory I guess. So Im able to sort the cards played into columns. If I know what is played? Then I also know what is left to be played. The percentages tell me the next move. Yes, Im able to figure them quickly and remember them as well.

    Hell, I thought that is what everyone did.

    So I bought Norm's products and find Don S work fascinating. But if you can't trust the man? How can you trust the product?

    The difficult part for me is few understand what I do. It doesn't matter. The purpose in reading Don S and others is to define if and how I can add it to my game.
     
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  2. Tater

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    The game is work. Pethaps the most difficult biz on earth to be in.

    Therefore, I cannot believe the KJs of the world float around casinos with HiLo knocking down $100k a year...every year. Nor do I believe a Zee can earn a profit with no work ethic or plan whatsover.

    Save the newbie seems to be their mantra of daily doses. Why? So the newbie can occupy your seat?
     
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  3. Tater

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    Im one voice. Playing one game. The game gives me all I want and more than I need but it never comes easy. So the key is to be able to keep playing.

    The braggers serve as an alarm to casinos. History proves their reaction is to make the game less attractive and more difficult to play.

    Maybe others will see the big picture and made their voices heard and not be afraid to be beat down by the 21formes of the world.

    So if I stand up to him so others can see he's a coward with a big mouth? Maybe others will too.
     
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  4. Tater

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    Do the math? There is a guy who charges $3k for a blackjack camp.

    IF he gets 100 people to sign up annually? That's $300k a year.

    There is only around 700 casinos that offer blackjack in the US.

    Their mantra taught is to hit them hard, get banned, and move on to the next casino. One poster brags he gets banned from 100 casinos a year. This gives him a 7 year career at best.

    So in 5 years you have 500 people attacking 700 casinos. Let's say only 50% make it to 7 years. Do you not see how this will eventually effect the casinos bottom line? So rules get worse or the game is no longer playable or even offered.
     
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  5. Tater

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    One more thing Neon/Ion. Me wanting to get back on Norm or Jolly Rogers forum? Naw. That would be like Ron White conducting a sermon in church

    The congregation of "one mindset" couldn't handle it.

    Why do you think they wont face me on Zen Zone or here? They're scared.
     
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  6. Tater

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    Also, you make a valid point that Norm cannot be 21forme because of his unforgiving nature.

    However, Norm is alot of things. But I do not think idiot is one of them. Therefore, he is too smart to allow KJ to sneek back into BJTF as Spiderman. 21forme referred to KJ with affection as Spidey. So, if Norm ia not 21forme? Then again he conviniently decided to look the other way. Just as he did for years with Flash/Marc before banning him. 21forme follows Norm's posts at BJTF like he's a dog in heat.

    Interesting theory on 21forme being Zengrifter. According to Norm, ZG resides in San Quintin. Odd that someone starts a forum and never posts. 21Forme has an account at ZenZone and is notorious for putting people on ignore. What an idiot! Im the only poster.

    So Zengrifter is Xengrifter and 21forme who encites me on one forum to post more on his forum. Then complains I post too much. Confused yet?

    Of course, one will never figure it out because they will write in one sentsnce sign langauge for the next 6 months.

    Create confusion. Counfound their understanding.
     
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  7. KewlJ

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    I don't know why I am doing this but let's go I at some sruff.

    1.) These conspiracy theories of me being 21forme and 21forme being Norm and flash mixed in there are all complete nonsense. 21forme and norm had a big blow up over the t3 situation. 21forme left the from for a while. Me and norm the same person? Come on did you read some of the things I have posted about norm? Even 21forme and myself have had our disagreements. This is all just silly season.

    Next I want to talk about those numbers of getting banned at 100 casinos and running out of casinos in 7 years. That is NOT the way it works. DATABASES. Like Son and biometrics interconnects these banning. You start accumulating just a few banning and other casinos are then looking for you. It won't take seven years. It multiples much faster.

    So the trick us to avoid banning or minimize them as much as possible. That means playing limits and a style fairly tolerated. That is how you achieve longevity.

    And finally, Moses why do you want me and/or 21forme to come here or zz. What is that going to prove? You don't like us and we don't like you? Do we really need to be on the same forum with even more attacks and hate, much of your not even about blackjack? Why? What purpose?
     

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    Well. At least KJ shows some guts. Hard to reply to each from a cell phone. So bare with me.

    I said 7 years at best. Mostly likely, if it were that easy and possible? They are proposing a lifetime of income is made in 2 or 3 years. All this does is muddy the waters and make life difficult for the everyday competitor.
     
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    You're the one running your mouth and making up lies about me. I will address every one of the with you right here. Right now?

    I see my name come up? I answer on Zen Zone where you both have accounts.
     
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  10. Parpaluck

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    QED.
    I always warned:
    CARD-CUNTING BEGETS WEIRD SICKOS.

    Disgusting! But just don’t kill yourselves, cuckoos! You certainly show alarming signs.

    And now, I even feel disgusted with myself for being in this kind of places. I started my firestorm here because the Cyber World was seriously threatened by a cancer: Norman Wattenberger. He would threaten the Internet left and right, north and south… and then in circles.

    One example: Norman Wattenberger sent 19 legally-threatening emails in one day to just one forum administrator. That’s a cancerous tumor!

    Norman Wattenberger chilled out; he keeps quiet now.

    I also chilled out Don “Raging Bull” Schlesinger. He would threaten even with deadly violence anyone with a gambling idea different from his card-cunting ideology. Psychodon Schlesinger (aka DSchles) is so quiet now you’d think he became a choir boy!

    O tempora! O mores!
     
  11. Tater

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    Why? What purpose?

    I can prove the lies you made up about me. Im just a regular guy who competes at this game that you managed to piss off.

    The fact you keep running and wont address me directly? Makes you look like you never told the truth about Norm, Shack, your winnings, or anything you've ever written.
     
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    Exactly my point. Why is it that you and 21forme think you are more than just posters? 21Forme had T3 in ignore. Why not just let it go at that?

    You snuck back onto BJTF as Spiderman and got banned again.

    Neither of you are any different than the the guy throwing his weight around begging for a dollar. Then...when someone stands up to him? Oh, he's crazy.
     
  13. Parpaluck

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    Another special landmark has been reached: 60,000 (sexty thousand) views! The actual number at the time of this writing is 60,037. What a nice prime number! It adds up to 16, which, intriguingly, is a power of 2!

    To celebrate this memorable event, I gift my targets here, Norman Wattenberger and Donald Schlesinger with the best card-counting system. No, I still reserve the copyright; N0rm wouldn’t want it any other way. As you know, Norman Wattenberger is a maniacs’ maniac when it comes to copyright manners.

    The system is presented in detail to the most outstanding blackjack site in the world:

    • https://forums.saliu.com/card-counting-blackjack.html#abc-system
    ABC: The Best Blackjack Card-Counting System”.

    The system is also presented, briefly, in the newsgroup dedicated to blackjack: rec.gambling.blackjack. You should visit the pioneering place. You’ll find even more interesting facts about our “friends”, Norman Wattenberger and Don Schlesinger. You might want to click
    groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.gambling.blackjack

    You can view here the ABC Blackjack Counting System as an image, rather than text.

    [​IMG]

    Best of luck from Parpaluck,
    Founder of Blackjack Mathematics
    The Best Blackjack Player of All Time
     
  14. Parpaluck

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    I made justice to the concept of advantage play. If you wanna know what advantage play is — real advantage play — I created a special thread. It is located in the subforum dedicated to the issue: Advantage Play (Blackjack). It is visible only to the registered members who logged in.

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/abc-the-best-blackjack-card-counting-system.17761/
    • ABC: The Best Blackjack Card-Counting System


    Best of luck from Parpaluck,
    Founder of Blackjack Mathematics
    The Best Gambler of All Time
     

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    100,000 (one-hundred thousand) views! A centennial of millennia, as it were! That’s a lifetime event, even for good ol’ Norman Wattenberger!

    Last time we celebrated a landmark (see my quoted post), I offered a gift to Norman “Bates” Wattenberger and his buddy Don “Raging Bull” Schlesinger. It was a free blackjack counting system: ABC. Without false modesty, it is the only card-counting system one should use. ABC is the only bj system based on mathematical formulas (norms, but not derived from N0rm!)

    I posted in this very thread a screenshot of the system taken on my website. I can see the screenshot disappeared. I had a hunch: Shkiottorban (aka Norman Wattenberger). He is known as a maniacs’ maniac when it comes to copyright matters, as illusory as they may be. He might have started, yet again, a campaign of takedown notices and “legal” threats.

    To my surprise, Binka Voranko resurfaced with a confirmation. She participated in one of the demonstrations to end racial injustice in America. She happened to be right behind Norm and Psychodon. She heard them talk through the facial masks about the new “legal” campaign. Norman “Bates” Wattenberger was fuming! He wanted the ABC blackjack card-counting system to be forever recognized as his creation. Therefore he would file takedown notices against every place I presented my system.

    I do have a confirmation of my own. I saw on CNN the demonstrations in New York. I am sure I saw Norm two consecutive nights in a row. You can read a post by Norman “Bates” Wattenberger himself (BJTF, The Asylum) where he writes that people confuse him for Jimmy Page of the Led Zeppelin fame. Miss Google herself shows a photo of Jimmy Page in the results… page on the norman wattenberger search query. The man in mask I saw during the nightly New York riots strikingly resembled Jimmy Page! I had no doubt it was Shkiottorban. He was mouth-foaming even thru the facial mask!

    Miss Google is also paranoid about Internet publishing. She fuques badly the publishers of duplicate content. So, I won’t be able to present my ABC counting system here. I can only say that the system gets its name from dividing the cards into 3 groups: A, B, C.

    A = the low group: cards 2, 3, 4, 5 (delta = 3 between the lowest and the highest card in the group)
    B = the middle group: cards 6, 7, 8, 9 (delta = 3 between the lowest and the highest rank in the group)
    C = the high group: 10-valued cards (10, J, Q, K).

    The Ace is kinduv side-counted, knowing the norm is 1 in 7.

    The norm is at the mathematical foundation of this system. It should be the case in every gambling system. The norms are dependent on the amount of cards on the table, in turn dependent on the number of players at the same blackjack table.

    The "traditional" counting systems ignore the number of players at the same table. Say, the "true count" is +2: You double your bet. It doesn't matter... from heads-up to 7 players at the table! That's really bad, as the more players, the worse is diminished the effect of the count.

    Furthermore, most "traditional" counting systems ignore the 7, 8, 9 cards. Those cards have their importance (e.g. double-down situations or making special hit/stand decisions).

    This the incredible counting system is amply analyzed on the most outstanding blackjack site in the world:

    https://forums.saliu.com/card-counting-blackjack.html#abc-system
    • “ABC: The Best Blackjack Card-Counting System — Created by Ion Saliu”.


    It has nothing to do with Norman “Bates” Wattenberger and his buddy Don “Raging Bull” Schlesinger. The ABC blackjack counting system is way above and beyond their means and abilities.

    Will we also celebrate a 1,000,000 (one million) views landmark? A millennial of millennia? Certainly hope so…
     
  16. Parpaluck

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    100,000 (one-hundred thousand) views! A centennial of millennia, as it were! That’s a lifetime event, even for good ol’ Norman Wattenberger!

    Indeed, Norman Wattenberger (aka Shkiottorban) is the main character I pay attention to in this thread. More rarely, I speak also of N0rm’s buddy, Don “Raging Bull” Schlesinger (aka Kaufchewk).

    Yet, the author of this thread (aka original poster or OP) is different from either mentioned above. The thread starter is (drumroll):

    • KewlJoke (aka KJ/KewlJ/Voochewlgunn).

    I know firsthand that my attention does good. For example, that’s how chilled out (that’s healing) Norman Wattenberger (aka Shkiottorban) and Don “Raging Bull” Schlesinger (aka Kaufchewk). Shock-therapy can be an efficient form of cure.

    Speaking of which –
    KewlJoke is schizophrenic. One of the worst forms of schizophrenia is manifested in individuals who believe they are dead and alive at the same time. KewlJoke claims his blackjack winnings attract so much attention, that he is often robbed and killed.

    KewlJoke, the self-proclaimed math brainiac, reminds us of the main character in an acclaimed film based on real-life: “A Shining Mind”. Professor Nash suffers from schizophrenia. There are scenes when he believes he is followed by Soviet agents who want to kill him. Nash constantly fears he’ll be killed! Like our KJoke.

    Our self-proclaimed math brainiac, KewlJoke, claims he is able to count cards at two blackjack tables simultaneously! That’s a weird manifestation of schizophrenia. Two is a strong symbol in this type of psycho condition. Norman Bates created a second element in his life: his own mother. KewlJoke also created two simultaneous counts. Furthermore, he created a little brother who beats the casinos big-time! KewlJoke’s brother too disappeared lately — probably robbed and killed… RIP!

    More on the math brainiac thingy. The only connection between KJoke and math is this. He defines himself as an AP; i.e. Arithmetic Psychotic.

    This form of therapy will do good to KewlJoke. You’ll see him post more rarely in the dozens of forums he attends day and night…

    Will we also celebrate a 1,000,000 (one million) views landmark? A millennial of millennia? I certainly hope so. KewlJoke will die and live several times till then…
     
  17. Parpaluck

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    • 111,111 (one hundred-eleven thousand one hundred-eleven) views!

    What a beautiful number revered by the initiated in the mastery of the digits! It is said that Almighty Number celebrates every day when the Cosmic Digital Clock shows the most special time in the Universe:

    11:11:11

    Keep in mind, Almighty Number works with two values only: 0 (Nothingness) and 1 (Eternity).

    I always pause in wonder and look up to the sky symbolically when my digital watch shows that time of the day 11:11:11. It is the strongest proof — and reminder — that I am alive. Eternity is in Us.

    This is the fundamental thread: “Current-feud-with-qfit-norman-wattenberger”

    Meanwhile, there are derived threads, also heavily relevant topics. We have a high duty to keep them closest to the top of the first bj-forum page.

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/the-asylum-blackjacktheforum-bjtf.13432/
    “The Asylum: BlackjackTheForum (BJTF)”

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/paranoia-runs-deep-in-‘the-asylum’-bjtf.14240/
    “Paranoia Runs Deep in ‘The Asylum’ (BJTF)”

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/playing-multiple-hands-question-for-don.13584/
    “Playing multiple hands - Question for Don”

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/explanation-needed.14927/
    “Explanation needed: I consistently lose as a BJ Cunter”

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/reality-blackjack-v-fake-news-blackjack.15076/
    “REALITY BLACKJACK v. FAKE-NEWS BLACKJACK”


    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/tarzan-count.17382/
    “Tarzan Count”


    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/norm-does-owners-of-websites-have-copyright-protections.14968/
    “Norm, does owners of websites have copyright protections?”


    Viciousness and crookery deserve attention — always in the form of warning. Unsuspecting humans deserve to know and stay safe from such viruses.

    “The Norman “Bates” Wattenbergers and Don “Raging Bull” Schlesingers of the world are krooks, and mooks, and bazooks. They strongly promote blackjack as a professional game, but they have never practiced it professionally. They lost big early in the game, and they ran away from casinos. Yet, they discovered the card-counting scheme in blackjack would greatly favor the casinos financially. Therefore they invested big-time in casino stocks… but they admitted it only after they were exposed. And they still sell books and cook-the-book software worshipping card-cunting!” 3:14
     
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    Let’s add one more relevant thread in the Viciousness and Crookery category:

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/doug-grant.397/
    Doug Grant
    ?
     

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