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Discussion in 'Suggestions / Comments / Criticisms / Problems' started by Junket King, Dec 29, 2021.

  1. Admin Team

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    We are happy to continue this discussion once you've read and learned how our moderation here works so that we can have an informed discussion without misconceptions.
     
  2. Junket King

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    Back in August 2021 I enquired if calling another member A CUNT was permissible
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/thre...ns-for-oscar’s-grind.21090/page-7#post-117890

    One of you admin guys sat of on the fence, took the usual "tea-towel" action, without providing a straight answer.

    In subsequent exchanges, I enquired IS IT PERMISSIBLE as I would like to respond in kind. The admin respond was "don't as it will only lead to a flame war, we'll deal with it". Again throw a tea towel over the said posts. What exactly have you achieved? You must be running out of tea-towels by now. No other member on this board, even though not everybody gets along, uses the word CUNT.

    However it seems one said member in particular has the freedom to call another member A CUNT whenever they feel like it, do tell is this member supplying his own tea-towels?, Does he have pictures or compromising evidence regards gambling forums, or is it a case of the level of arrogance is so high, given the protagonist you simply choose to ignore.

    I mean seriously, come on man, allowing a member to continually openly call another A CUNT, if I called the admin team CUNTS approx 22 times, would I still be allowed to continuing posting here, or would I be slowed down to render the site useless? I doubt it, however so what has your inaction achieved exactly? Post covering is kinda stupid because anybody can highlight them to read the content and a member calling another A CUNT continues unabated.


    So how does this work, 15 infractions 12 days, when they reach 18 infractions is that another 15 days, or is 12 days counted as time already served? (where is a Judge when you need one), meaning going from 15 to 18 infractions is only 3 days?

    Meanwhile a few people have been permanently banned, or as you like to put it "slowed to a point" where the site is rendered inaccessible.

    Obviously you're going to continue to sit on your hands regarding usage of this word CUNT, it is now a given that it is acceptable at gambling forums, therefore I would lie to know how many warnings I am sitting on (PM will suffice), because I might start taking the hit so I can respond in kind.

    Cunt of a day, hey hey
     
  3. Admin Team

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    This is not accurate. Insulting another member has never been allowed, which is why it is always sanctioned when reported as we have done with 95% of the reports you made to us about the member in question. Your own link shows that we took action in that specific instance as well.

    The hiding of sanctioned posts is not the only action we take. We also slow-down access for every 3 infractions with increasing intervals.

    The evidence has already proven that we do not ignore the rule violations by the member in question as we've already provided evidence that we have taken action i in 95% of the instances you reported. Furthermore, no one has any compromising information on us because we have not done anything compromising and we are anonymous precisely so that members don't even attempt to manipulate our moderation in order to remain as neutral as possible.

    No, it would be another 15 days. If time-served counted and the intervals did not increase, then there wouldn't be a growing disincentive to follow our rules. The growing disincentive is necessary to more heavily punish repeat offenders so that they eventually stop breaking our rules.

    As per our previous link, we consider permanently banning a member a form of censorship that is contrary to our Founding Principles and we generally only ban spam accounts since those are generally run by automated spam bots.

    The site is not rendered inaccessible, it just becomes a very frustrating experience.

    No we won't just like we haven't with all the instances you've reported to us.

    No, it is not acceptable and each instance reported to us will be sanctioned as we've been doing all along.

    We do not reveal that precisely so it can't be abused in the way you suggested. You are free to do the crime if you are willing to do the time. We predict you will attempt this only once and not again after you see how frustrating the experience is when you have been slowed down by our system. We revealed how many of your specific reports about this specific member were sanctioned as a one-time illustration of how we read all reports and take action where warranted, but we have not revealed the total warnings received by any member as we prefer members not know that so that they don't make calculations about whether it's worth it to break our rules or not.

    It seems like you are wanting us to permanently ban member @soxfan without saying you want us to permanently ban them. However, please note that we do not permanently ban here for the reasons already stated, and if you suggestions on how we can improve our moderation, then we are all ears.

    Our advice to you is to not feed the troll otherwise they will continue to be motivated to troll you even through their slow down period.
     
  4. Junket King

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    Obviously this action isn't having much of an impact is it!!

    I beg to differ, 22 times I've been called A CUNT, in a few week it will 23, 24 times. Beside the insult they have now threatened to kick my teeth in, irrespective of them biting off more than they could chew, this is against your T&C's, not me losing my teeth, rather threatening violence.

    That was tongue in check fella, as in humour LOL

    Now that isn't exactly true is it, many have been banned, both LarryS and R19 and Glen Lawres many sock accounts spring to mind (not disputing that it wasn't the correct action).

    Hmmm are you sure, try telling soxfan that, there has been zero deterrent since August.

    Really? When a member (incidently the only one) is continually calling another member A CUNT, it shouldn't be me calling for a ban. For sure there will be many here who would love to call me A CUNT and a lot more and likewise, but we don't, because we are adults and have a degree of control. Anybody who resorts to directing such language at another member needs to receive a firm warning, soxfan is way past any warnings and needs to be shown the gravel.

    It's due to the lack of the effectiveness of the action taken we are where we are. Stemming from August I did not respond (feed the troll as you put it) and it continued, "retard limey cunt" appearing here and there, the admin response was "no evidence it was directed at you", yeah right, you having laugh aren't you, so you do have a sense of humour?

    There seems to be a firm reluctance to do so and I've got to wonder why certainly former member R19 despite being a pain in the ass, wasn't calling fellow members CUNT left right and centre.
     
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    We disagree. We urge you to compare the rate of insults you receive from this member during their slowdown versus before.

    All recent reported posts have been sanctioned in accordance with our moderation style that we linked to previously.

    Your memory is betraying you again.
    • LarryS: Never banned. Had the Compulsive Liar tag added. Most recent post is after March 2017 when we stopped banning.
    • R19: Never banned. Had the Troll tag added and account slowed down until it is removed. Most recent post is after March 2017 when we stopped banning.
    • John Blerg: Never banned. Had the Troll tag added and account slowed down until it is removed. Most recent post is after March 2017 when we stopped banning.

    Again, this is easily verifiable considering each of those members have posts dated after the March 2017 announcement that we would no longer ban here at GF.

    It is difficult to have an informed debate on this matter if you continue being completely wrong about critical elements.

    You are not trolling anyone, so you do not have the same motivations as member soxfan who seems to be trolling you. So yes, we are quite sure that you would only attempt it once and not again after experiencing the slowdown. If we are wrong, then feel free to break our rules and experience our slow down, and then do it again once your slow down ends. We suspect you will not precisely because of what we have been saying, the slow downs are an effective deterrent. Less so against Trolls when their target feeds them, but still effective as we have not doubt you will notice if you start noticing the rate of insults you receive from the member in question during their slow down versus before.

    This would require a major change to our current moderation style that has been in force since early 2017, so you would need to create a new thread to see if there is member interest in changing our moderation style and the fact that we do not ban here. Right now you are the only member out of thousands advocating for this significant change and while we value your opinion, we cannot make a significant change to our site based on the opinion of only 1 member out of thousands.

    You are mixing posts and misleading readers. The one you reported where you were told there was no evidence it was directed at you was a profile post (not a forum post) from the member in question. Profile posts are solitary posts members make in their own profile and not in response to anyone, so there was no evidence it was directed at you since it never mentioned you. However, in response to your complaint and subsequent request, we implemented this minor change about Profile Posts having to be professional.

    So your depiction of what transpired is very misleading as not only was there no evidence in the Profile Post in question that it was directed at you, we still went a step further and took your feedback on board to implement that minor change.

    Except now it seems that if you do not get your way every single time (in this case, having us violate our transparent moderation style to permanently ban a member you have a problem with), then you get upset with us (unfairly, we might add).

    We are transparent about our moderation style and have followed it to the letter in this member's case. Again, if you wish to see our moderation style change, then feel free to create a new thread with the suggestion, and if it gets enough traction, then we will consider it.

    To be clear, we have no intention of permanently banning the member in question or any other member as that would violate the moderation style we have had in place since early 2017. It would take a significant number of members complaining to change that, not just 1.
     
  6. Junket King

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    Well that is just a technicality, a play on words, not banned vs being unable to access the site as their bandwidth is throttled to such a degree it renders the site inaccessible, in effect banned, but not really banned, call it a play on words.

    Not really, it wasn't just the profile, Soxfan would include within his rants "limey cunt", so while he didn't address me directly, it was it a reply to any particular post of mine, for some reason I'm guessing it wasn't aimed at the admin team, I'm baffled as to whom he could have been referring to. Not about to looking for the post, as it's not that important.

    Not a case of getting my way every single time, it's not you a member of the admin team or anybody else that is continually being called A CUNT. As you clearly point out, you take action yet it continues, no doubt when the bandwidth throttle is lifted it will continue and we will be back at square one. I fail to see why you can't see the steps taken thus far have been totally infective, is this what you want, members calling each other cunts, then serving a few days ban, oops I mean slow down and what's with the racist language, are we going backwards in allowing the rhetoric that emanated from John Blerg

    This whole saga is tiresome and frankly boring as hell, me responding to you, you responding to me, you still haven't addressed the blatant disregard of this forums T&C's regarding the threat of violence, but never-mind you haven't got a monopoly on arrogance either.
     
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    Again, it is difficult to have an informed discussion with you when your memory betrays you and you then try to change what you said when proven wrong. You were not referring to being slowed down. You said banned. There is no play on words. Words matter. Speaking precisely matters. Now you are trying to backtrack after we proved you were wrong yet again. The slow down does not render the site inaccessible. That is another falsehood you have stated in regards to this matter and one that doesn't even make sense in the context of this discussion considering you are complaining precisely about slowed down users still being able to post. We aren't pointing this out to embarrass you, but to show you that we are making a good faith effort to engage with you regarding this matter and answer all your questions, but that it is difficult for us to do this in good faith if you are not acting in good faith with us, which you are not fully doing when you attempt to change your story after you are proven wrong when we correct the record.

    Yes, really. The post in question was a profile post that did not mention any member. We know because we keep a record of every report. We do not speak imprecisely to ensure there is no confusion about the things we say and do.

    To be clear, we aren't defending that member's actions of insulting you. It is clearly against our rules, which is precisely why we acted on every instance you reported to us except with that one profile post which did not mention you.

    But if they do it again, then they'll get an even longer slow down period soon after, hence the growing discincentive.

    John Blerg is not a good example as they were a troll to most of the community and was labeled as such after a community-wide poll. This case is more akin to a feud between 2 members where one member is clearly trolling the other. We don't take sides in such feuds and simply follow our moderation guidelines. We do not want members insulting other members, which is why we enforce our rules, and are confident that increasing slow downs will get even the most dedicated trolls to quit as the effort they have to put into trolling is not worth the reward even if the target feeds them. Using the John Blerg example who is perhaps the biggest troll the site has had, they quit the site after they were semi-permanently slowed down when they were labeled a Troll. The slowing down is effective, it just needs to be given a chance and it sometimes takes a few slow downs for a member to realize that breaking our rules repeatedly is simply not worth it.

    We always respond to posts addressing us, particularly in our feedback section. We punish members that violate our rules and T&C's, so they are not disregarded. We are not trying to be arrogant, you have simply made several misstatements that require us to correct the record with facts.
     

  8. Junket King

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    You ain't proven nothing sunshine.
    It doesn't matter, Slowed Down or Banned, it's the same thing, but just so you can pat yourself on the back, ok, okay I was wrong, I should not have said banned, rather I should have said s l o w e d d o w n, feel vindicated now?


    "Not really, it wasn't just the profile, Soxfan would include within his rants "limey cunt", so while he didn't address me directly, it was it a reply to any particular post of mine, for some reason I'm guessing it wasn't aimed at the admin team, I'm baffled as to whom he could have been referring to. Not about to looking for the post, as it's not that important.
    If you say so.
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/the-50-50-game.22480/page-2#post-123614

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/usa-vs-china.22092/page-3#post-120808


    Oh, I must have special then, sure I could access the site, but it took forever for the site to load, impossible to view the email from the admin, basically rendering the site inaccessible, but not exactly inaccessible as it took 20~30 mins for the front page to load and ditto there-after, again it seems to prove your point you have to be ultra-pedantic with words.

    I'm not embarrassed in the slightest, I'm laughing at the lengths you go to, I've seen this rodeo many times before. Anyway my cherub I believe the indeed the opposite may be true because you have sent me a few warning over the last 2 days over basically nothing, no doubt you'll justify it in your own head.

    Google shows this forum to be uncensored, it's not really uncensored is it?? Not when somebody (me) can receive a warning over posting, "The gambling community got tired of your silly claims of having a 72% win rate, eBay no doubt got tired of your ripping off buyers". I mean how petty is that, you have folks calling each other faggots, go fuck yourself, nothing happens, cos you don't see the posts and bang on queue I got a warning over a remark about spikes 72% bullshit, how predicable, you must be sitting there itchy finger on the trigger, "we'll get him", you crack me up fella, Loool.

    Truth be know you are embarrassing yourself with your pedantic play on words, you are attempting to embarrass me by stealth with your deliberate SLOW action regarding being called a cunt. So why don't ya just lift soxfan's ban, oops I mean remove the throttled bandwidth, so he can insult me again, I respond in kind, then then you can pull the trigger job done, obviously you're on a power trip and don't like be questioned.

    Six posts reported the day prior, yet still free to make this post the following day in a thread which you created, so you were obviously aware of the issue, so basically despite the 6 reports, you did NOTHING.
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/coronavirus.17980/page-20#post-133599

    Why was that exactly?

    Also you still haven't answered either my my questions relating to a member threatening violence against another?? John Bleg is a perfect example to highlight the boards stance on hate speech, one of the admin team team said it wouldn't be tolerated, you learnt from your mistakes? So now soxfan has introduced the term wog lover on more than one occasion. You gonna keep on dodging these issues or not?
     
  9. Junket King

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    Funny how you relished in making such a big deal out of "banning vs slowed down".

    The site rules clearly state

    Violations of the above will result in sanctions and/or a permanent ban.
    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/site-rules.226/

    Ban, ban, did i see the letters B.A.N??? Must be my mistake, you are always right and words matter!!!!

    In fact the words permanent banning appear in many places within the site rules.

    Who is right and who is wrong?
     
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    That was quick, you did that already Lool


     
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    Who's the "offended school girl drama queen now ?"
    What a pathetic individual you are.
    Now a word has you all upset. "Ban them mommy !" Grow up.

    Because he's a waste of time and a troll. Screaming for attention and complaining while he does even worse.
    It's ok though JK - I got "punished" for calling you out for what you are, and I'd do it 100 more times.
     
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    I am I missing what all this drama is about because I have him on ignore so I can't see any posts by him or any quotes that people make of his posts.
     
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    He said in another thread that sick people should be put in tents in a field somewhere to die if they weren't vaccinated - which in turn
    set me off, being that's the most disturbing thing I've seen someone say on a forum. I got reported for calling him what he is - shame that
    I can't do it in person.
    Putting him on ignore is the right thing to do - just a troll hiding behind a keyboard who would never say the same things to someone's
    face. Cowards are like that. Why it's tolerated is beyond me - uncensored shouldn't mean people are forced to tolerate trash like that.
     
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    My sister-in-law was fully vaccinated and she died anyway in the hospital of covid. Vaccinated or unvaccinated it doesn't seem to make that much difference, if you're weak it's going to kill you if you're not you survive.
     

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    Being vaccinated makes a hell of a difference and usually does prevent death. However, it's everyone's choice to get vaccinated and they should not be forced to do so. People should be motivated and incentivized to be vaccinated. Not bullied, threatened, or belittled. This is not a pandemic of the unvaccinated, this is a Chernobyl like pandemic that's the direct result of the communist party of China.
     
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    I've had more than a couple unvaccinated medical people tell me that because these vaccines have not been tested long-term nobody knows what the long-term side effects are going to be and they aren't going to take a chance. If you're younger it could screw up your ability to reproduce healthy kids. There's a myriad of things that could happen that they will find out eventually. I don't feel like being one of those guinea pigs. And that's what vaccinated people are really upset about, it's not that we are a danger it's that they volunteered to be guinea pigs and they want us to be as clueless as they were. Even my veterinarian who's been a doctor for 35 years said she would never take a vaccine into her body that had not been tested for at least 3 years. There are just too many unknowns. It's not like getting vaccinated for smallpox or measles where they just infect you with the disease. These are complicated chemical soups they're jamming into your arm. No thanks.
     
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    Unlike you, we back what we say with evidence and have a track record of doing so precisely because talk is cheap.

    It's not about feeling vindicated, it's about using precise language so that we can have an informed debate.

    We don't make assumptions about the target of curse words not specifically directed at any member because such an assumption would be a bias in our moderation.

    You never reported these posts. Feel free to report them and we'll take action. Considering the number of misstatements you have made with this matter, we will need you to formally report those 2 posts in order for us to take action.

    No, it is you trying to have it both ways. You are claiming the slowdowns are both not enough but also too much. By design, the slowdowns are meant to allow members to continue participating so that they are not censored, but making it so frustrating that they avoid breaking our rules.

    Yes, we have a track record of correcting the record about us with evidence.

    This is your bias showing ("I'm innocent, but the other guys is definitely guilty"). We don't have such bias.

    It's uncensored in relation to gambling, not free speech. This means any gambling topic can be discussed here. It does not mean -- for example -- that child porn can be shared here.

    We don't read the vast majority of posts, which means some rule violations go unsanctioned if no one reports them. That does not mean our rules do not apply. Your post was reported and sanctioned the same way the other members' posts was reported by you and sanctioned by us. We don't take sides. Someone reports. We see the rule violation. We sanction. It's not more complicated than that and we always try to be as unbiased as possible. Again, we back up what we say with evidence, so here is the proof:

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    Soxfan's posts were sanctioned that same day and in fact their slowdown started 4 hours after that post was made. We keep logs of every action and every change. However, as we mentioned previously, we do not act instantly on reports as each report is reviewed manually by a human to ensure a sanction is warranted. That combined with the fact that it takes several sanctions to lead to a slowdown explains the delay you mentioned. But as you yourself know, each report you made was dealt with and each rule violation you reported was sanctioned.

    There is nothing to dodge. Such threats are a clear violation of our rule #1 and are sanctioned accordingly when reported to us as per our moderation guidelines. Please note that there are a handful of threads that we purposefully moderate more lightly as we understand members have a need to blow off steam and have nowhere else to go (these are generally Feud threads between members and threads about other sites). Outside of those handful of exceptions, which includes every thread you have brought up, threats of violence and insults will not be tolerated, but they must be reported to us for us to sanction them accordingly.


    Notice the word "or".

    Yes, reported rule violations are sanctioned. You are not above our rules. No member is.
     
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    Yes, we do believe they are now attempting to troll us as they've shifted from attempting to have an (uninformed) debate about our moderation guidelines, to now trying to win a straw man argument with us that we never started, while they insult us and belittle our site that they so actively use for free, while in the background they violate our rules and then cry foul when they are treated like every other member.

    However, this is the Feedback section of our site, so we will continue to reply as we do not want to set a precedent that we ignore posts in this section, no matter how misguided those posts may be.
     
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    I think we are in agreement there is something about logging into this site, receiving a PM which states Violation of Rule #1 that automatically gets peoples backs up.

    Golly Gosh maybe there isn't a mirror in your home? If at all it applies both ways, not that I agree with you in the slightest.

    Selective memory yeah?? It is a real shame, you better ensure you bring those infamous body-guards, oh and soxfan for a giggle too.

    I think it shouldn't be politicised as in left vs right wing nuts and I'm all for freedom of choice, I think those on site this site who haven't been jabbed have unequivocally made the right choice.

    If you believe that to be true, then I'm pleased for you, yes talk is very cheap, obviously.

    Of course, of course. The intention of the no insults rule is to ensure active and participating members of the community treat each other with respect so that they debate and discuss in a civil manner. More cheap talk I guess.

    Yeah let me thing about that, said member is banned slowed down for repeatedly calling another member a retard limey cunt while they fall apart and suffer a melt down, prior to this they fire off the term "limey retard, "twat", however because it was precisely aimed at me, it wasn't about me, LOL.

    I didn't report those posts at the time, nor Turbo's because I feel this reporting malarkey is childish, something I'd rather not get involved in. HOWEVER seeing what is transpiring on the board over the last few days, with warnings over the most pathetic barbs, it's time to share the love so other members can experience what is being meted out, certainly TG didn't take it too well and got his bloomers in a twist. Oh wait there are exceptions.

    Really, well that's a revelation. I'm guessing calling somebody A CUNT over 20 times falls into that category, just a little bit of stream, my man give me five bro.

    I have already, doesn't seem to have been action action taken.
    Somebody is feeling brave https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/junket-king-method.22717/page-2#post-133925


    You are slyly moving into the area of divide and conquer "he's on my side" with that reference, the mentality that many on forums operate on. You quote a comment from TG who we aren't exactly fans of each other stemming over a decade, was it intentional? This is a prime example of a straw man argument.

    As I stated previously I've seen this rodeo before with Larrys and Mdawg, might be a few others, the admin must have the final say, they are always right and never ever wrong 100% of the time, yeah I know you've been doing this a long long time. I'm curious if this "always right" attitude extends out-side of making a living operating these forums for a living.


    FREE, free!!!! Is this the build up to being shown the gravel because someone has answered you back, questioned your perceived authority.
     
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    Which is why we back up what we say with evidence as we have done repeatedly with regards to this matter you have brought up.

    Correct.

    Not in our case as we've backed up our enforcement with evidence proving we acted in 95% of the posts you reported about this member and their insults towards you have dwindled while they have been slowed down, further proving that such a slowdown in an effective deterrent as we have been saying all along.

    Again, the post in question did not address you and we are not about to start assuming who the intended target is when members make generic insults that do not mention anyone specifically because it is a slippery slope.

    Then please don't bring them up as examples in this matter when you already know that we do not generally take action on unreported posts since we do not read most posts.

    If you aren't willing to do your part as an active member of this community to help ensure the rules are followed, then please do not complain about it.

    The fact that we sanctioned TurboGenius after your report is further proof that we treat all members here equally and no one is above our rules.

    No, it doesn't, that's why the posts you reported were sanctioned. If they fell in that category, then those posts would not have been sanctioned and member soxfan would not be slowed down right now.

    That post was sanctioned days ago, so yes, action was taken.

    No, it's an example of you not only not garnering any support for your position that we should punish member soxfan above and beyond what our transparent moderation guidelines stipulate, but that you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing others of. That is relevant for two reasons: 1) because as we stated before we cannot make major changes based on the requests of only 1 member, and 2) while you are making a fuss about how you were insulted, you are going off and insulting other members, which weakens your point and credibility.

    Yes, as we said previously, we have a proven track record of using evidence to correct misstatements and falsehoods about us and that it is never going to change.

    That is not true at all and we can easily disprove it citing your own example regarding member MDawg. This was our last post in the thread they created that led to a long discussion with us, and they had the last word here and here.

    Again, it's not about us being right, it's about correcting the record when misstatements and falsehood are said about us our our site. If we do not correct them, then some members may incorrectly believe they are true. This is why we back up everything we say with actual evidence so that there is no doubt.

    We are the guardians of this community and the credibility of the community as a whole lies with us, so that is why we are forced to correct the record about us and this community with evidence to ensure the community as a whole is not marred by falsehoods. This quote is relevant: "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." So that is why we are meticulous about ensuring the truth gets out there.

    No, we are not upset with you and we are going out of our way to answer each of your posts matter-of-factly. Once again, we do not ban here, so even if we were upset with you for whatever reason, we would not ban you or slow you down, and this goes for all members.
     

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